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>Have they restored the account yet? Are you kidding me? That Machiavellian sanity-grinder gave Notch, a legitimate indie developer selling a game about diggin

>Have they restored the account yet? Are you kidding me? That Machiavellian sanity-grinder gave Notch, a legitimate indie developer selling a game about digging through dirt, Hell on Earth just to get his money. PayPal doing the right thing, snorts I'll sprout wings and shave my eyebrows off first. I'd sooner trust the IRS to do right by me than PayPal. Disclosure: My first entrepreneurial effort was annihilated in concert by UPS, PayPal, and eBay.

citricsquid 16y ago
oh please don't bring the Notch stuff into this. FYI they were entirely justified with what they did. I administrate the Minecraft forums, there were (and still are) many legitimate complaints from people who paid for the game but never got access because minecraft.net is very poorly built[1]. When his account received millions of dollars in a tiny period of time with numerous complaints do you really think any legitimate company would just give him the money? What they did in his situation was entirely justified and I'd personally suggest it was exactly what they should have done. I'm sure there are many times when Paypal have done wrong, but this really isn't one of them. [1] http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=91042 http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=91042
- ZoFreX 16y ago
  Also: Everyone talks about them "freezing" his account or stealing his money, when they did no such thing. They're simply requiring him to keep a float in his Paypal account to cover chargebacks, and due to the amount of transactions he gets, that float has to be an unusually large amount.
  - Dylan16807 16y ago
    They're requiring that now. At the time, they froze the account, allowing money in but no withdrawals.
    - storborg 16y ago
      At a point in time when it was unclear to Paypal whether or not all of the money was fraudulently obtained and was going to be charged back, that action seems perfectly reasonable.
- misterm 16y ago
  I still don't have access. I emailed someone, got no response, so I gave up on it.
  - citricsquid 16y ago
    hey :-) Send an email to Daniel (daniel@mojang.com) and he should sort you out. If not send me an email (sam@redstonewire.com) and when he's next online I'll poke him into helping you out.
fexl 16y ago
Just last week someone asked on HN "what are the legal consequences of donating to an organization that is branded a "terrorist organization"? Can you be punished retroactively?" I replied that yes, you can, and you should not expect rationality or good faith from these people, only savagery. I was down-voted into oblivion. This filled me with confidence, so I donated that very day. Later that afternoon, Paypal caved. Evidently I was the last straw. ;)
- thecoffman 16y ago
  Ya the same here. I donated when Paypal caved and then I donated again when MasterCard caved. Between that and my vocal opposition to the new TSA policies I'm pretty sure I'm on every list the government has at this point /tinfoil hat.
  - fexl 16y ago
    I'm with you man, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. I cast my fate to the wind years ago. And by the way, I think the use of tin foil is highly underrated and needlessly ridiculed. What I want to know is, why should harmless fuzz-balls like us have to worry about anything in life? We are but simple people, minding our own business in honest toil, needing only our daily ration of beer and bread. Now if I could just write that with an Irish accent.
- iuyhgthyujik 16y ago
  I assume you can still donate to NORAID with your mastercard? All of us little old England are so glad we have never experienced any terrorist attacks before 911
  - bigfudge 16y ago
    I'm too young to have remembered, but seems Noraid was a largely US-funded charity alleged to have paid for weapons for use by republican groups in Northern Ireland and mainland Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID

citricsquid 16y ago

oh please don't bring the Notch stuff into this. FYI they were entirely justified with what they did. I administrate the Minecraft forums, there were (and still are) many legitimate complaints from people who paid for the game but never got access because minecraft.net is very poorly built[1]. When his account received millions of dollars in a tiny period of time with numerous complaints do you really think any legitimate company would just give him the money? What they did in his situation was entirely justified and I'd personally suggest it was exactly what they should have done. I'm sure there are many times when Paypal have done wrong, but this really isn't one of them. [1] http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=91042 http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=91042

ZoFreX 16y ago
Also: Everyone talks about them "freezing" his account or stealing his money, when they did no such thing. They're simply requiring him to keep a float in his Paypal account to cover chargebacks, and due to the amount of transactions he gets, that float has to be an unusually large amount.
- Dylan16807 16y ago
  They're requiring that now. At the time, they froze the account, allowing money in but no withdrawals.
  - storborg 16y ago
    At a point in time when it was unclear to Paypal whether or not all of the money was fraudulently obtained and was going to be charged back, that action seems perfectly reasonable.
misterm 16y ago
I still don't have access. I emailed someone, got no response, so I gave up on it.
- citricsquid 16y ago
  hey :-) Send an email to Daniel (daniel@mojang.com) and he should sort you out. If not send me an email (sam@redstonewire.com) and when he's next online I'll poke him into helping you out.

fexl 16y ago

Just last week someone asked on HN "what are the legal consequences of donating to an organization that is branded a "terrorist organization"? Can you be punished retroactively?" I replied that yes, you can, and you should not expect rationality or good faith from these people, only savagery. I was down-voted into oblivion. This filled me with confidence, so I donated that very day. Later that afternoon, Paypal caved. Evidently I was the last straw. ;)

thecoffman 16y ago
Ya the same here. I donated when Paypal caved and then I donated again when MasterCard caved. Between that and my vocal opposition to the new TSA policies I'm pretty sure I'm on every list the government has at this point /tinfoil hat.
- fexl 16y ago
  I'm with you man, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. I cast my fate to the wind years ago. And by the way, I think the use of tin foil is highly underrated and needlessly ridiculed. What I want to know is, why should harmless fuzz-balls like us have to worry about anything in life? We are but simple people, minding our own business in honest toil, needing only our daily ration of beer and bread. Now if I could just write that with an Irish accent.
iuyhgthyujik 16y ago
I assume you can still donate to NORAID with your mastercard? All of us little old England are so glad we have never experienced any terrorist attacks before 911
- bigfudge 16y ago
  I'm too young to have remembered, but seems Noraid was a largely US-funded charity alleged to have paid for weapons for use by republican groups in Northern Ireland and mainland Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID