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You basically just described any sufficiently large organization. Complaining is not helping anyone in these situations, the only thing you can do to change thi

You basically just described any sufficiently large organization. Complaining is not helping anyone in these situations, the only thing you can do to change things is to go ahead and try to change things. Reporting things up the chain hardly ever works because the chain is too busy with their own issues and politics. You have to make it worth their while.

rat9988 7y ago
>the only thing you can do to change things is to go ahead and try to change things how? Reporting up the chain is THE way to change things. When it doesn't work what are you supposed to do?
- armada651 7y ago
  Take on the responsibility for the gap yourself. If you get assigned something from up the chain that gets in the way of that new found responsibility report up the chain that they need to assign it to someone else first.
  - xvector 7y ago
    If I am slowed down in my day-to-day sprint because I decided to take on a task management wasn't willing to fund/approve, I would be in much deeper trouble
former_mozzer 7y ago
Mozilla is an organization of 1000 employees. Executives act like it’s 100,000 employees.
hrktb 7y ago
> the only thing you can do to change things is to go ahead and try to change things. You are describing taking risks and/or being penalized for little to no potential reward in most organizations. You are doing something you are not asked to, so any inconvenience or side effect, whatever the cause is, is on you. And as it was not marketed internaly few people will be aware you did anything, accordingly you will get little recognition (financial or any). It also presumes you already accomplished everything that was under your responsability, which is basically impossible in any org where objectives or KPIs are set so you hit a 80% target. You’ll then have to explain why you prioritized a seemingly random task, and bothered the other teams to help you do it without consulting your boss or their bosses. Basically this approach could work for critical issues that are obvious they should be fixed. But then it should also be obvious to your boss, so getting their clearance is the normal way to do it. This is I think the reason why people just leave instead of fighting a losing battle to fix issues they care about but the upper ranks don’t prioritize.
Aeolun 7y ago
> You have to make it worth their while. Not having a large outage seems like it should be worth their while...
- tinus_hn 7y ago
  Outages like this never seem real until they actually happen.

rat9988 7y ago

>the only thing you can do to change things is to go ahead and try to change things how? Reporting up the chain is THE way to change things. When it doesn't work what are you supposed to do?

armada651 7y ago
Take on the responsibility for the gap yourself. If you get assigned something from up the chain that gets in the way of that new found responsibility report up the chain that they need to assign it to someone else first.
- xvector 7y ago
  If I am slowed down in my day-to-day sprint because I decided to take on a task management wasn't willing to fund/approve, I would be in much deeper trouble

former_mozzer 7y ago

Mozilla is an organization of 1000 employees. Executives act like it’s 100,000 employees.

hrktb 7y ago

> the only thing you can do to change things is to go ahead and try to change things. You are describing taking risks and/or being penalized for little to no potential reward in most organizations. You are doing something you are not asked to, so any inconvenience or side effect, whatever the cause is, is on you. And as it was not marketed internaly few people will be aware you did anything, accordingly you will get little recognition (financial or any). It also presumes you already accomplished everything that was under your responsability, which is basically impossible in any org where objectives or KPIs are set so you hit a 80% target. You’ll then have to explain why you prioritized a seemingly random task, and bothered the other teams to help you do it without consulting your boss or their bosses. Basically this approach could work for critical issues that are obvious they should be fixed. But then it should also be obvious to your boss, so getting their clearance is the normal way to do it. This is I think the reason why people just leave instead of fighting a losing battle to fix issues they care about but the upper ranks don’t prioritize.

Aeolun 7y ago

> You have to make it worth their while. Not having a large outage seems like it should be worth their while...

tinus_hn 7y ago
Outages like this never seem real until they actually happen.