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A country shouldn’t be able to profit from the web while blocking other countries from exchanging ideas and wealth with its citizens. We should disconnect China

A country shouldn’t be able to profit from the web while blocking other countries from exchanging ideas and wealth with its citizens. We should disconnect China.

maxheadroom 7y ago
>...while blocking other countries from exchanging ideas and wealth with its citizens. We should disconnect China. Have you never heard of the Wassenaar Agreement[0,1]? [0] - https://www.wassenaar.org/about-us/ https://www.wassenaar.org/about-us/ [1] - https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2018/12/WA-DOC-18-PUB-001-Public-Docs-Vol-II-2018-List-of-DU-Goods-and-Technologies-and-Munitions-List-Dec-18.pdf https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2018/12/WA-DOC-18-PUB-...
codedokode 7y ago
Their government will be thankful for the help.
majia 7y ago
China is not profiting much from the world wide web like Google or Facebook. It mainly profits from its domestic intranet. Your suggestion is also ironic; how could further disconnecting China help to prevent China from blocking other countries?
- yorwba 7y ago
  The people building that intranet are making heavy use of resources that aren't hosted within the country, some of which require circumventing the Great Firewall (e.g. tensorflow.org is hosted on Google infrastructure and therefore blocked). Some companies even use Google Docs in their hiring process to filter out candidates who can't evade government censorship. Completely cutting China off from the rest of the internet would certainly lead to infrastructure outages and put all development on hold until mirrors for the necessary services are set up. And that's just the tech industry. If a gadget manufacturer in China can't be reached to order gadgets, they might just as well not exist. Without communication, international trade breaks down as well. The outcome would be equivalent to sanctions on all Chinese-made products, which no country is willing to try due to how much it would hurt themselves.
atlasduo 7y ago
This is hypocrisy and a dangerous mindset. "A few misguided people do things we don't like? Throw the entire country under the bus!". How can one hope for an open web and advocate this kind of mass censorship at the same time?
pyrale 7y ago
The same point could be made about the US for the very same reason. After all, the US has an history of extraterritorial judicial overreach and embargos.

A country shouldn’t be able to profit from the web while blocking other countries from exchanging ideas and wealth with its citizens. We should disconnect China.

maxheadroom 7y ago

>...while blocking other countries from exchanging ideas and wealth with its citizens. We should disconnect China. Have you never heard of the Wassenaar Agreement[0,1]? [0] - https://www.wassenaar.org/about-us/ https://www.wassenaar.org/about-us/ [1] - https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2018/12/WA-DOC-18-PUB-001-Public-Docs-Vol-II-2018-List-of-DU-Goods-and-Technologies-and-Munitions-List-Dec-18.pdf https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2018/12/WA-DOC-18-PUB-...

codedokode 7y ago

Their government will be thankful for the help.

majia 7y ago

China is not profiting much from the world wide web like Google or Facebook. It mainly profits from its domestic intranet. Your suggestion is also ironic; how could further disconnecting China help to prevent China from blocking other countries?

yorwba 7y ago
The people building that intranet are making heavy use of resources that aren't hosted within the country, some of which require circumventing the Great Firewall (e.g. tensorflow.org is hosted on Google infrastructure and therefore blocked). Some companies even use Google Docs in their hiring process to filter out candidates who can't evade government censorship. Completely cutting China off from the rest of the internet would certainly lead to infrastructure outages and put all development on hold until mirrors for the necessary services are set up. And that's just the tech industry. If a gadget manufacturer in China can't be reached to order gadgets, they might just as well not exist. Without communication, international trade breaks down as well. The outcome would be equivalent to sanctions on all Chinese-made products, which no country is willing to try due to how much it would hurt themselves.

atlasduo 7y ago

This is hypocrisy and a dangerous mindset. "A few misguided people do things we don't like? Throw the entire country under the bus!". How can one hope for an open web and advocate this kind of mass censorship at the same time?

pyrale 7y ago

The same point could be made about the US for the very same reason. After all, the US has an history of extraterritorial judicial overreach and embargos.