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I feel like that's like working at Microsoft and having never heard of Alex Kipman. The creators of Kubernetes are very open about it being based around Borg's

I feel like that's like working at Microsoft and having never heard of Alex Kipman. The creators of Kubernetes are very open about it being based around Borg's structure. That's no secret.

m0zg 8y ago
Sure, but to say that just because Burns works at Microsoft now is a good reason to think that MS is a containerization leader is a total non-sequitur. Google, however, is _the_ containerization leader, having created CGroups and having run everything in containers for a decade before they became "cool".
- partiallypro 8y ago
  Microsoft is undoubtedly A containerization leader at this point, I never claimed they were THE containerization leader. The fact is that there is likely not a huge difference at this point between the big 4 (I'd include IBM since they bought RedHat.) Kubernetes is no longer that new and all 4 big cloud providers have had plenty of time to more or less be on par with each other. I'm sure Google has some other insight, but I doubt it's so much that many people are flocking to their service for it anymore.
  - geezerjay 8y ago
    > Microsoft is undoubtedly A containerization leader at this point If that was remotely true then what product/service does Microsoft offer that is remotely comparable with Docker/Kubernetes and is neither Docker or Kubernetes?
    - Aeolun 8y ago
      Why would that matter? If their kubernetes infrastructure is the most polished and production ready of the bunch, then I’d say they’re the leader.
      - geezerjay 8y ago
        > Why would that matter? Because you lead nothing if all you do is reuse the tools developed by the actual leaders. That's what followers do, not leaders.
    - filmgirlcw 8y ago
      Service Fabric. Now, I happen to think Kubernetes is better, but you asked. Service Fabric was available to the public in 2016 but has been used internally since 2011.
- alexgartrell 8y ago
  FWIW, Google certainly led on cgroup development for a while, but the cgroupv2 maintainer works at Facebook, and we're active in upstream container development in both linux and systemd. I don't necessarily think you're wrong; I just think your argument, as stated, is weak.
- thejosh 8y ago
  OP never said it was the leader, just catching up quickly. Microsoft have released a ton of tools lately for Kubernetes.

I feel like that's like working at Microsoft and having never heard of Alex Kipman. The creators of Kubernetes are very open about it being based around Borg's structure. That's no secret.

m0zg 8y ago

Sure, but to say that just because Burns works at Microsoft now is a good reason to think that MS is a containerization leader is a total non-sequitur. Google, however, is _the_ containerization leader, having created CGroups and having run everything in containers for a decade before they became "cool".

partiallypro 8y ago
Microsoft is undoubtedly A containerization leader at this point, I never claimed they were THE containerization leader. The fact is that there is likely not a huge difference at this point between the big 4 (I'd include IBM since they bought RedHat.) Kubernetes is no longer that new and all 4 big cloud providers have had plenty of time to more or less be on par with each other. I'm sure Google has some other insight, but I doubt it's so much that many people are flocking to their service for it anymore.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > Microsoft is undoubtedly A containerization leader at this point If that was remotely true then what product/service does Microsoft offer that is remotely comparable with Docker/Kubernetes and is neither Docker or Kubernetes?
  - Aeolun 8y ago
    Why would that matter? If their kubernetes infrastructure is the most polished and production ready of the bunch, then I’d say they’re the leader.
    - geezerjay 8y ago
      > Why would that matter? Because you lead nothing if all you do is reuse the tools developed by the actual leaders. That's what followers do, not leaders.
  - filmgirlcw 8y ago
    Service Fabric. Now, I happen to think Kubernetes is better, but you asked. Service Fabric was available to the public in 2016 but has been used internally since 2011.
alexgartrell 8y ago
FWIW, Google certainly led on cgroup development for a while, but the cgroupv2 maintainer works at Facebook, and we're active in upstream container development in both linux and systemd. I don't necessarily think you're wrong; I just think your argument, as stated, is weak.
thejosh 8y ago
OP never said it was the leader, just catching up quickly. Microsoft have released a ton of tools lately for Kubernetes.