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This has already been happening in India under the current govt Any Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act! Of course, ther

This has already been happening in India under the current govt Any Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act! Of course, there must be some stupid party supporter who probably had to file a case or something. This will be worse as it'll be automatic as China MITM's everything

_frip 7y ago
Pretty interesting comment. Let me see a reputable source which backs up 'anti pm message arrest under national security act'. I googled those and found just one arrest in a state which said > Asked why Shinde had been suspended, Sharma said, “He has not been suspended just for the message. In the past, too, complaints were received against him for favouring certain political party person and showing political inclination. The WhatsApp message he posted is one of the reasons why he has been suspended.” Asked what exactly did he mean by showing political inclination, Sharma said, “I won’t be able to give all the details. But the past complaints and WhatsApp message are the reasons he has been suspended.” source: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/mumbai-constable-suspended-for-sharing-anti-pm-message-on-whatsapp-4892293/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/mumbai-const...
- nanokilo 7y ago
  Forgive my naivety, but aren’t Whatsapp messages encrypted? If so, how can the authorities see what’s written in them?
  - everly 7y ago
    Someone in the group chat is a snitch.
  - afterburner 7y ago
    Maybe someone snitched?
    - _frip 7y ago
      That is exactly what happened.
  - josephagoss 7y ago
    If people in the chat want him suspended, I guess it is those people with the complaint making a recording/listing of the chats and then passing the evidence onto authorities.
  - fouc 7y ago
    I thought only 1-to-1 messages were encrypted and group chat wasn't.
    - likpok 7y ago
      The group chat is also encrypted, but anyone in the group chat can share the messages.
    - aitchnyu 7y ago
      Whatsapp does E2E for groups, which have upto 256 members. A Matrix dev said they scaled E2E to groups with thousands.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > In the past, too, complaints were received against him for favouring certain political party person and showing political inclination. Why is this even a "valid" reason?
  - RA_Fisher 7y ago
    It's not, it's government censorship.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      I mean, sure, everyone knows it is. But usually governments of democratic countries try to hide their intentions with some sort of reasonable-sounding excuse?
    - sonnyblarney 7y ago
      'Censorship' is bad, but I'm a little more concerned about the 'arrest' part ...
  - ummonk 7y ago
    Even in the US there are restrictions on political activity by civil servants. Although I doubt those would encompass what was described here.
- thewhitetulip 7y ago
  You seem to have taken only one source Google "whatsapp admins arrested Modi" First link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/whatsapp-admin-arrested-in-karnataka-for-offensive-post-on-pm-narendra-modi-1689041%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/wha... Tdlr; Karnataka WhatsApp grp asmin arrested for morphed photo of the PM
  - _frip 7y ago
    Well looks like I'm blind because I find no mention of the national security act in the sources you linked as well. You're trying so hard. Oh well..
    - thewhitetulip 7y ago
      It is glad that you accepted. If only more ppl were like you who accepted their incapability while proving others wrong. The source I gave was "Whatsapp admin arrested Modi" If u want to look for those arrested under NSA, the results are one click away. Now don't tell me your hands stopped working as well...
      - _frip 7y ago
        Haha 'one click away', I see nothing that proves your original comment, the burden of proof lay upon you (when the argument was active). That's quite a jump to conclusion too. But whatever helps you sleep at night while accepting your bullshit narrative was openly called out and you made a fool of yourself. Must be hard spreading propaganda on internet forums. Have a good one. You may choose to reply to this comment but expect no further conversation. Peace :)
        thewhitetulip 7y ago
        lol I googled "whatsapp admin arrested Modi NSA" And guess which link came first? https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-44925166 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-44925166 Article says > student has spent five months in an Indian jail over a WhatsApp message he says he did not send. > Local reports say the 21-year-old man was charged with sedition because of "objectionable" content, although it is not clear what the message said. I rest my case.
nitinreddy88 7y ago
This is false statement without no supporting source. This is the problem with social media. Someone posts fake news/propaganda and everyone starts believing or starts forwarding (whatsapp), which is causing Govts to take certain action against them/regulate them
- thewhitetulip 7y ago
  If you keep your bias aside and read actual news rather than propaganda TV channels maybe you'll know what really happened And what about BJP IT cell spreading edited photos and videos? Never heard a single BJP person getting arrested Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/whatsapp-admin-arrested-in-karnataka-for-offensive-post-on-pm-narendra-modi-1689041%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/wha...
kumarm 7y ago
Forget about PM, Even state leaders are abusing this and getting opposition sympathizers arrested in India for a while. This abuse is most common in State of Andhra Pradesh (Whose chief minister claims he invested IT and claims to have influenced Satya Nadella enter into software :) ). 1. https://www.mirchi9.com/politics/one-case-abuse-ysrcp-social-media-fan/ https://www.mirchi9.com/politics/one-case-abuse-ysrcp-social... 2. Another Arrest Video in local language (telugu): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osWZE0-cQ1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osWZE0-cQ1g
- thewhitetulip 7y ago
  Yeah One man sets trend, it blows up
cscurmudgeon 7y ago
Any reputable sourcee on this?
- thewhitetulip 7y ago
  Google "Whatsapp admin arrested Modi" One source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/whatsapp-admin-arrested-in-karnataka-for-offensive-post-on-pm-narendra-modi-1689041%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/wha...
ma2rten 7y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if this could happen in the US, if someone created a "terrorist" group chat.
Simple_Guy 7y ago
Did all the dictators get together and decide on the phrase "national security" as the go to when implementing authoritarian laws?
- the_other 7y ago
  No. They just copied the US and UK showing them how to do it, immediately after 9/11.
user1841 7y ago
>> "Any" Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act! This is blatantly false. Singling out "Anti-PM" posts and demonizing only BJP (in your latter comment) is clearly biased. Here are the instances of people being booked for "remarks" in Social media against the opposition leader Rahul Gandhi and Opposition: [1] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/case-against-shimla-man-for-remarks-against-rahul-and-priyanka-gandhi-1966816 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/case-against-shimla-man-for-... [2]https://www.news18.com/news/india/mp-man-posts-photo-of-rahul-gandhi-with-cap-beard-booked-for-morphing-2094073.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/mp-man-posts-photo-of-rahu... [3] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahesh-vikram-hegde-arrested-postcard-news-co-founder-arrested-again-charged-with-spreading-fake-new-2028135 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahesh-vikram-hegde-arrested... There is nothing "automatic" about it. All such charges happen after off-line complaints in the police station by either party. Rather if you would say, based on police complaints on violating Indian Penal Code, people are booked or arrested - that'll be a more reasonable statement - rather than coming out with blanket statements.
- thewhitetulip 7y ago
  How convenient of you to selectively handpick few cases of opposition leaders while ignoring all those journalists who are jailed under Draconian laws for posting things govt didn't like. I don't need lectures from BJP supporters about being biased. Except Indira's emergency, I don't remember journalists being jailed under NSA. get your facts straight from real media and not whatsapp forwards P.s. this acc is made a few hrs ago. Obviously a fake acc

_frip 7y ago

Pretty interesting comment. Let me see a reputable source which backs up 'anti pm message arrest under national security act'. I googled those and found just one arrest in a state which said > Asked why Shinde had been suspended, Sharma said, “He has not been suspended just for the message. In the past, too, complaints were received against him for favouring certain political party person and showing political inclination. The WhatsApp message he posted is one of the reasons why he has been suspended.” Asked what exactly did he mean by showing political inclination, Sharma said, “I won’t be able to give all the details. But the past complaints and WhatsApp message are the reasons he has been suspended.” source: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/mumbai-constable-suspended-for-sharing-anti-pm-message-on-whatsapp-4892293/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/mumbai-const...

nanokilo 7y ago
Forgive my naivety, but aren’t Whatsapp messages encrypted? If so, how can the authorities see what’s written in them?
- everly 7y ago
  Someone in the group chat is a snitch.
- afterburner 7y ago
  Maybe someone snitched?
  - _frip 7y ago
    That is exactly what happened.
- josephagoss 7y ago
  If people in the chat want him suspended, I guess it is those people with the complaint making a recording/listing of the chats and then passing the evidence onto authorities.
- fouc 7y ago
  I thought only 1-to-1 messages were encrypted and group chat wasn't.
  - likpok 7y ago
    The group chat is also encrypted, but anyone in the group chat can share the messages.
  - aitchnyu 7y ago
    Whatsapp does E2E for groups, which have upto 256 members. A Matrix dev said they scaled E2E to groups with thousands.
saagarjha 7y ago
> In the past, too, complaints were received against him for favouring certain political party person and showing political inclination. Why is this even a "valid" reason?
- RA_Fisher 7y ago
  It's not, it's government censorship.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    I mean, sure, everyone knows it is. But usually governments of democratic countries try to hide their intentions with some sort of reasonable-sounding excuse?
  - sonnyblarney 7y ago
    'Censorship' is bad, but I'm a little more concerned about the 'arrest' part ...
- ummonk 7y ago
  Even in the US there are restrictions on political activity by civil servants. Although I doubt those would encompass what was described here.
thewhitetulip 7y ago
You seem to have taken only one source Google "whatsapp admins arrested Modi" First link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/whatsapp-admin-arrested-in-karnataka-for-offensive-post-on-pm-narendra-modi-1689041%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/wha... Tdlr; Karnataka WhatsApp grp asmin arrested for morphed photo of the PM
- _frip 7y ago
  Well looks like I'm blind because I find no mention of the national security act in the sources you linked as well. You're trying so hard. Oh well..
  - thewhitetulip 7y ago
    It is glad that you accepted. If only more ppl were like you who accepted their incapability while proving others wrong. The source I gave was "Whatsapp admin arrested Modi" If u want to look for those arrested under NSA, the results are one click away. Now don't tell me your hands stopped working as well...
    - _frip 7y ago
      Haha 'one click away', I see nothing that proves your original comment, the burden of proof lay upon you (when the argument was active). That's quite a jump to conclusion too. But whatever helps you sleep at night while accepting your bullshit narrative was openly called out and you made a fool of yourself. Must be hard spreading propaganda on internet forums. Have a good one. You may choose to reply to this comment but expect no further conversation. Peace :)
      - thewhitetulip 7y ago
        lol I googled "whatsapp admin arrested Modi NSA" And guess which link came first? https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-44925166 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-44925166 Article says > student has spent five months in an Indian jail over a WhatsApp message he says he did not send. > Local reports say the 21-year-old man was charged with sedition because of "objectionable" content, although it is not clear what the message said. I rest my case.

nitinreddy88 7y ago

This is false statement without no supporting source. This is the problem with social media. Someone posts fake news/propaganda and everyone starts believing or starts forwarding (whatsapp), which is causing Govts to take certain action against them/regulate them

thewhitetulip 7y ago
If you keep your bias aside and read actual news rather than propaganda TV channels maybe you'll know what really happened And what about BJP IT cell spreading edited photos and videos? Never heard a single BJP person getting arrested Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/whatsapp-admin-arrested-in-karnataka-for-offensive-post-on-pm-narendra-modi-1689041%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/wha...

kumarm 7y ago

Forget about PM, Even state leaders are abusing this and getting opposition sympathizers arrested in India for a while. This abuse is most common in State of Andhra Pradesh (Whose chief minister claims he invested IT and claims to have influenced Satya Nadella enter into software :) ). 1. https://www.mirchi9.com/politics/one-case-abuse-ysrcp-social-media-fan/ https://www.mirchi9.com/politics/one-case-abuse-ysrcp-social... 2. Another Arrest Video in local language (telugu): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osWZE0-cQ1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osWZE0-cQ1g

thewhitetulip 7y ago
Yeah One man sets trend, it blows up

cscurmudgeon 7y ago

Any reputable sourcee on this?

thewhitetulip 7y ago
Google "Whatsapp admin arrested Modi" One source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/whatsapp-admin-arrested-in-karnataka-for-offensive-post-on-pm-narendra-modi-1689041%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news/wha...

ma2rten 7y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if this could happen in the US, if someone created a "terrorist" group chat.

Simple_Guy 7y ago

Did all the dictators get together and decide on the phrase "national security" as the go to when implementing authoritarian laws?

the_other 7y ago
No. They just copied the US and UK showing them how to do it, immediately after 9/11.

user1841 7y ago

>> "Any" Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act! This is blatantly false. Singling out "Anti-PM" posts and demonizing only BJP (in your latter comment) is clearly biased. Here are the instances of people being booked for "remarks" in Social media against the opposition leader Rahul Gandhi and Opposition: [1] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/case-against-shimla-man-for-remarks-against-rahul-and-priyanka-gandhi-1966816 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/case-against-shimla-man-for-... [2]https://www.news18.com/news/india/mp-man-posts-photo-of-rahul-gandhi-with-cap-beard-booked-for-morphing-2094073.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/mp-man-posts-photo-of-rahu... [3] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahesh-vikram-hegde-arrested-postcard-news-co-founder-arrested-again-charged-with-spreading-fake-new-2028135 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahesh-vikram-hegde-arrested... There is nothing "automatic" about it. All such charges happen after off-line complaints in the police station by either party. Rather if you would say, based on police complaints on violating Indian Penal Code, people are booked or arrested - that'll be a more reasonable statement - rather than coming out with blanket statements.

thewhitetulip 7y ago
How convenient of you to selectively handpick few cases of opposition leaders while ignoring all those journalists who are jailed under Draconian laws for posting things govt didn't like. I don't need lectures from BJP supporters about being biased. Except Indira's emergency, I don't remember journalists being jailed under NSA. get your facts straight from real media and not whatsapp forwards P.s. this acc is made a few hrs ago. Obviously a fake acc