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DHS to start DNA testing to establish family relationships on the border
- natebleker 8y agoWhat will happen to adopted children?
- pjc50 8y agoPresumably they'll be abducted, detained, and deported.
- sneakernets 8y agoI'd put a huge asterisk next to "deported" in this case.
- NTDF9 8y agoOh yes, separated and put in cages should be more precise
- mfatica 8y agoLike these ones? https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-20...
- johnsolo1701 8y agoIt's wrong no matter who does it.
- mfatica 8y agoJust would like to see people be honest and admit that it was not only Trump that "put kids in cages" and there's entirely legitimate reasons to put kids in temporary holding while sorting out their immigration situation.
- 8note 8y agoWhy does it matter what people were doing before? they don't have any power, only the current president. Claiming Obama did it, and Obama was Jesus, so it must have been good, sounds really strange coming from the group who claim Obama is the antichrist
- tomschlick 8y agoHopefully their guardians won't cross the border illegally and put them in that situation.
- empath75 8y agoPeople looking for asylum are not crossing the border illegally.
- tomschlick 8y agoExcept for the people who only claim asylum after they cross illegally and are caught as a means to delay deportation.
- neetdeth 8y agoYou're not being a team player here, Tom. Repeat after me: Legitimate. Asylum. Seekers.
- olliej 8y agoThe comment you replied to is asking “what happens to adopted children”. Strangely enough crossing the border legally doesn’t magically result in your adopted children getting new DNA. So claiming that “illegal immigrants” won’t put their children in that position is beyond stupid. The question is how does this impact legal immigrants. This is sampling at actual border crossing. So all the actual families crossing are victimized in order to punish brown people. Because none of this is being done on the northern border, despite Canadians living illegally in the US generally taking higher paying jobs than migrant workers from Mexico and Central America
- tomschlick 8y agoFrom the article: "DHS has repeatedly warned that children are being exploited by traffickers to skirt the nation's immigration laws." So it seems to me that it has to do with people skirting the law and exploiting children, not to "punish brown people". > Because none of this is being done on the northern border, despite Canadians living illegally in the US generally taking higher paying jobs than migrant workers from Mexico and Central America. Have stats on the number of Candadian's crossing the border illegally each year? I'd bet its an order of magnitude less than our southern border. > And then we get to the real crux: as numerous people have said, this incorrectly classifies normal families as not being families. Which is a problem, but this should be used as a tool in conjunction with other records and interviews of the family crossing. Think of it this way, if a family crosses with children, takes the DNA test and everything is confirmed then the process may go much faster as additional investigation would not be needed.
- epistasis 8y agoThose who do genetic testing in the clinic know that, far more frequently than expected, family relations do not line up exactly as the genetic inheritance happens. Clinicians go to great lengths to avoid damaging families with these revelations. I have a feeling that such ethics will not be brought to these situations by DHS.
- hello_friendos 8y agoI think damaging families is the point of this policy.
- Agustus 8y agoThe point of this policy is to identify real familial relations with those crossing the border. At the border there are instances of individuals using children to get special preference. The proposed idea will mitigate this issue.
- a_random_name 8y agoThis makes a lot of presumptuous about the intention of the adults here. Do you know that these are not something similar to adoptive parents?!
- mchristen 8y agoCan you define "real familial relations" purely by DNA? I don't think so, what about adoptions or surrogates? This just seems like a policy that can be used to discriminate against people who don't fit a chosen definition of "family".
- creaghpatr 8y agoOr it can be used to expedite the clearance of real families instead of subjecting everyone to the same questioning methods.
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- sneakernets 8y agoI can't trust a single thing DHS says any more. I can't take seriously "child recycling rings" when the Administration's supporters believe in pseudoscience, numerology, and "Q".
- jschwartzi 8y agoI would urge you to do your own research rather than dismissing everything they say out of hand. Not because what they're saying is true but rather because skepticism is not the same thing as wilful ignorance. I once thought the same thing about building a wall but a friend of mine who worked extensively with CBP had talked to agents who are out of the political eye, and they had some convincing arguments for building one. For them it wasn't about keeping Mexicans out or whatever racist BS our president is agitating over. But it was more that there are small groups such as cartels in Mexico and Canada who want to come here for the express purpose of committing crimes, and they exploit the response times of CBP in remote areas to cross the border at will.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago"Build the wall" should've been "control the border". More intellectually honest, more reasonable.
- a_random_name 8y agoBecause I guess adoptions, or family relationships a little more complicated than the nuclear family don't exist.
- thex10 8y ago> From October 2017 to February 2018, there was a 315 percent increase in the number of cases of adults with minors fraudulently posing as “family units” to gain entry. Gotta wonder what that comes out to as a percentage of all people trying to gain entry. The statement also implies that DHS is already determining what is a "family unit" without DNA. Gotta wonder what their algorithm is there too...
- DuskStar 8y agoSeparate 'parents' from children, ask children if those are really their parents?
- olliej 8y agoSo no children from prior relationships, no adoptions, no same sex couples, ...
- xkcd-sucks 8y agoA vacation to the USA could get French people around the paternity test ban
- hourislate 8y agoWhat CNN conveniently didn't tell you was that this kind of screening was all planned under the Obama administration. It's so convenient to post a picture of Trump at the top of the article to suggest it was all his idea. Fuck CNN, it is a shitty fake news site. Why is this even news since it started under the Obama administration? Center for Immigration Studies article below. https://cis.org/Rush/Expanded-Central-American-Refugee-Program-Bring-Whole-Family https://cis.org/Rush/Expanded-Central-American-Refugee-Progr... >The program's numerous conditions (DNA tests, background checks, medical clearance, etc.) dissuaded some from applying. More importantly, the majority of the Salvadoran, Guatemalan, and Honduran immigrants present in the U.S. are here illegally, which makes them ineligible to participate. This explains why, since the CAM program started almost three years ago, the U.S. received only 9,500 applications. Some more news with statistics. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
- 8note 8y agoReading your links, I couldn't find any numbers for how many children were DNA tested while Obama was in office? How many was it? or did this launch under the Trump administration? I'm unclear about what's "fake news" that dna testing children is bad? From your comment, it sounds like you think Obama is infallible, and so anything he did must have been the best, most moral option possible. or that the blame should be on Obama? but that doesn't make sense, because Trump held all the branches of government for 2 years, and didn't rescind this, when most of his presidency has been about undoing everything Obama did.
- zipwitch 8y agoLiving in a cyberpunk dystopia is much less pleasant than reading about fictional ones.