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Something that stuck out to me was how concerned Google was that even while recommending other browsers next to Chrome, that putting Chrome first in the list co

Something that stuck out to me was how concerned Google was that even while recommending other browsers next to Chrome, that putting Chrome first in the list could rankle antitrust regulators. Fast forward to 2019 and Windows 10 makes you fight multiple menus and "suggestions" just to switch your default browser away from Edge.

tatersolid 8y ago
Your comment is demonstrably nonsense. Windows 10 only suggests Edge if you make IE11 your default browser. If you choose Firefox or Chrome it never suggests that you should switch to Edge. Microsoft’s lawyers are not stupid.
- buffalo2391 8y ago
  This isn't exactly accurate, I've had multiple menus telling me to switch to edge from chrome.
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    Perhaps I'm not remembering it right but doesn't it day something like "you should use a stable modern browser instead! Are you sure you don't want to keep using Edge"??
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      It's more like "Windows has a modern browser called Edge, you might want to try it out; are you sure you want to change the default?".
  - ddingus 8y ago
    They are missing an awesome opportunity. Provide a place for people to say why they won't. A lot of that input will be garbage. Some seriously laughable in a good way, a few gems. Why not get them?
- terinjokes 8y ago
  I'm confused. It prompts me all the time to change my default browser to Edge. Microsoft products ignore the default browser bit and open links in Edge, which them opens pop-ups to change my default browser to Edge. Even the UI for changing the default browser in Settings heavily encourages you to set Edge.
  - iggldiggl 8y ago
    > Microsoft products ignore the default browser bit and open links in Edge Try something like EdgeDeflector (https://github.com/da2x/EdgeDeflector https://github.com/da2x/EdgeDeflector) for redirecting those links to your default browser.
    - atomicwrites 8y ago
      Thank you for answering questions I didn't know to ask.
- bigger_cheese 8y ago
  I setup a new PC for my Dad over Easter weekend - Windows 10 prompted me to switch to Edge when I tried to set default browser to Chrome for him.
- Causality1 8y ago
  I just reinstalled Windows 10 on my laptop to fix a driver issue Windows Update fucked up and it absolutely does do that.
- dralley 8y ago
  This is a lie. Every single time I've tried to switch a Windows 10 installation to default to Firefox, it asks about trying Edge first.
  - tatersolid 8y ago
    I think I must be missing out due to Enterpise licensing. With Win10 Enterpise I’ve never encountered pop-up nags for Edge when changing the browser. Links are never redirected into Edge even from other MSFT products. This is on like three different Win10 enterprise laptops. I’ll have to ask the help desk guys what they do to our corporate images if anything. To me it looks like plain-vanilla Win10 Enterpise while deploying from our WDS server.
    - atomicwrites 8y ago
      It also resets all your default apps to the Microsoft apps (edge, photos, music, etc.) on almost every update.
bobthepanda 8y ago
Microsoft's antitrust settlement with the US only ended in 2011: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/long-antitrust-saga-ends-for-microsoft/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/long-antitru... More importantly, the EU's decision on bundling IE with Windows came down in 2007: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission The EU has continued pursuing antitrust cases, and the FTC has now set up a task force to investigate antitrust in tech. The main problem is that the wheels of the legal system turn very slowly, much slower than the startups rise (and fall).
asveikau 8y ago
In the timeframe the events this article take place on, the EU was insisting on a "browser choice" screen to be included in Windows 7. MS also got criticism for the random shuffle they used to determine the order of browser icons.

tatersolid 8y ago

Your comment is demonstrably nonsense. Windows 10 only suggests Edge if you make IE11 your default browser. If you choose Firefox or Chrome it never suggests that you should switch to Edge. Microsoft’s lawyers are not stupid.

buffalo2391 8y ago
This isn't exactly accurate, I've had multiple menus telling me to switch to edge from chrome.
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  Perhaps I'm not remembering it right but doesn't it day something like "you should use a stable modern browser instead! Are you sure you don't want to keep using Edge"??
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    It's more like "Windows has a modern browser called Edge, you might want to try it out; are you sure you want to change the default?".
- ddingus 8y ago
  They are missing an awesome opportunity. Provide a place for people to say why they won't. A lot of that input will be garbage. Some seriously laughable in a good way, a few gems. Why not get them?
terinjokes 8y ago
I'm confused. It prompts me all the time to change my default browser to Edge. Microsoft products ignore the default browser bit and open links in Edge, which them opens pop-ups to change my default browser to Edge. Even the UI for changing the default browser in Settings heavily encourages you to set Edge.
- iggldiggl 8y ago
  > Microsoft products ignore the default browser bit and open links in Edge Try something like EdgeDeflector (https://github.com/da2x/EdgeDeflector https://github.com/da2x/EdgeDeflector) for redirecting those links to your default browser.
  - atomicwrites 8y ago
    Thank you for answering questions I didn't know to ask.
bigger_cheese 8y ago
I setup a new PC for my Dad over Easter weekend - Windows 10 prompted me to switch to Edge when I tried to set default browser to Chrome for him.
Causality1 8y ago
I just reinstalled Windows 10 on my laptop to fix a driver issue Windows Update fucked up and it absolutely does do that.
dralley 8y ago
This is a lie. Every single time I've tried to switch a Windows 10 installation to default to Firefox, it asks about trying Edge first.
- tatersolid 8y ago
  I think I must be missing out due to Enterpise licensing. With Win10 Enterpise I’ve never encountered pop-up nags for Edge when changing the browser. Links are never redirected into Edge even from other MSFT products. This is on like three different Win10 enterprise laptops. I’ll have to ask the help desk guys what they do to our corporate images if anything. To me it looks like plain-vanilla Win10 Enterpise while deploying from our WDS server.
  - atomicwrites 8y ago
    It also resets all your default apps to the Microsoft apps (edge, photos, music, etc.) on almost every update.

bobthepanda 8y ago

Microsoft's antitrust settlement with the US only ended in 2011: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/long-antitrust-saga-ends-for-microsoft/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/long-antitru... More importantly, the EU's decision on bundling IE with Windows came down in 2007: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission The EU has continued pursuing antitrust cases, and the FTC has now set up a task force to investigate antitrust in tech. The main problem is that the wheels of the legal system turn very slowly, much slower than the startups rise (and fall).

asveikau 8y ago

In the timeframe the events this article take place on, the EU was insisting on a "browser choice" screen to be included in Windows 7. MS also got criticism for the random shuffle they used to determine the order of browser icons.