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We can be certain that after the failure of MKUltra, no freedom loving first world government ever engaged in such an experiment again. And even if they had, t

We can be certain that after the failure of MKUltra, no freedom loving first world government ever engaged in such an experiment again. And even if they had, they surely would have informed us of the fruits of such research if any were found.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
Well, no, but I feel like there's a huge jump between that, which clearly was a failure and "we can mind control people now and were going to do it on Assange". If the US were capable of such actions with ease, I feel like we'd see a lot less conflict in the world as political opponents were slowly stifled, and that doesn't seem the case. Also, what benefit would that have? If the people who Assange truly speaks to are already claiming that he's going to be brainwashed, who does his brainwashing influence? Is there a large group of Wikileaks fence sitters who are arguing that "I'd believe him if he were just a little more mainstream"?
- SkyBelow 8y ago
  >If the US were capable of such actions with ease, I feel like we'd see a lot less conflict in the world as political opponents were slowly stifled, and that doesn't seem the case. This is assuming the less conflict is the desired result. It seems that having conflict leads to greater voter support of taxes being spent to protect against that conflict and to adoption of more authoritarian policies. There is also far more instances of conspiracy theories being true than just MKUltra, some of which serve to fill in the gap. As for the why him... why would they have gotten a CIA agent tied up into the whole mess to begin with?
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    > There is also far more instances of conspiracy theories being true than just MKUltra, some of which serve to fill in the gap. Yes, I particularly enjoy the ones about aliens - some conspiracy theories being true doesn't mean others are as well - each must be judged on it's own merits, and not as a group. > As for the why him... why would they have gotten a CIA agent tied up into the whole mess to begin with? Who are you referring to with the CIA agent? And let's be honest, he trades in classified documents - why wouldn't intelligence be involved with him? I still don't understand what value brainwashing him would have - assuming he's not already compromised by some other power in this clandestine game of cat and mouse that apparently exists below the mainstream medias reckoning, why would we believe he is in fact one of the good guys?
    - hulahoof 8y ago
      It's no longer a theory once proven, surely we can extrapolate from conspiracies known to have occurred without reaching alien-tier
fit2rule 8y ago
MK Ultra was not a failure. The lessons learned were, for example, well applied at the "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields" sites in Guantanamo to create double agents ..

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

Well, no, but I feel like there's a huge jump between that, which clearly was a failure and "we can mind control people now and were going to do it on Assange". If the US were capable of such actions with ease, I feel like we'd see a lot less conflict in the world as political opponents were slowly stifled, and that doesn't seem the case. Also, what benefit would that have? If the people who Assange truly speaks to are already claiming that he's going to be brainwashed, who does his brainwashing influence? Is there a large group of Wikileaks fence sitters who are arguing that "I'd believe him if he were just a little more mainstream"?

SkyBelow 8y ago
>If the US were capable of such actions with ease, I feel like we'd see a lot less conflict in the world as political opponents were slowly stifled, and that doesn't seem the case. This is assuming the less conflict is the desired result. It seems that having conflict leads to greater voter support of taxes being spent to protect against that conflict and to adoption of more authoritarian policies. There is also far more instances of conspiracy theories being true than just MKUltra, some of which serve to fill in the gap. As for the why him... why would they have gotten a CIA agent tied up into the whole mess to begin with?
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  > There is also far more instances of conspiracy theories being true than just MKUltra, some of which serve to fill in the gap. Yes, I particularly enjoy the ones about aliens - some conspiracy theories being true doesn't mean others are as well - each must be judged on it's own merits, and not as a group. > As for the why him... why would they have gotten a CIA agent tied up into the whole mess to begin with? Who are you referring to with the CIA agent? And let's be honest, he trades in classified documents - why wouldn't intelligence be involved with him? I still don't understand what value brainwashing him would have - assuming he's not already compromised by some other power in this clandestine game of cat and mouse that apparently exists below the mainstream medias reckoning, why would we believe he is in fact one of the good guys?
  - hulahoof 8y ago
    It's no longer a theory once proven, surely we can extrapolate from conspiracies known to have occurred without reaching alien-tier

fit2rule 8y ago

MK Ultra was not a failure. The lessons learned were, for example, well applied at the "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields" sites in Guantanamo to create double agents ..