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We're nowhere close to MLK's dream yet, because of people who think like you. And no, I don't want revenge on anyone, stop focusing on yourself. This is about

We're nowhere close to MLK's dream yet, because of people who think like you. And no, I don't want revenge on anyone, stop focusing on yourself. This is about giving people who don't have resources more of them, and in so doing finding the true bright spots on this planet. If you think this has anything to do with individual punishment, you're a lost cause...

lopmotr 8y ago
People who think like me by not wanting discrimination based on race? You'll need to find a reference for your claim because it seems obviously wrong. I can think of two ways you might justify your view: A) By assuming that every member of a class has the same characteristics as the class average. This overlooks the existence of privileged wealthy gay black female from Portland who grew up being glorified as a precious minority and of disadvantaged poor straight white males from Appalachia who were abused as children and taught by their whole society that they weren't meant to be successful. You want to give extra advantage to the already-advantaged person because different individuals in her class are disadvantaged. B) Class-based revenge. You accept that individuals are different from their class averages, but it's OK to push some disadvantaged people down and lift advantaged people up as long as it's consistent with your view of which class should be punished for their collective situation. This option seems more realistic because it's not factually wrong like A), and it's consistent with your reference to the millennia of opportunities. There's nothing anybody can do to change the thousands of years of now-dead people so their advantages should have no bearing on what happens today. But you still mentioned them. Maybe you want to correct the balance between classes by putting the advantage in the other direction for another few millennia, under the assumption that two wrongs make a right. You chose race, sex, and sexuality as your classes because that's what your culture told you it's OK to discriminate on. You didn't chose history of psychological abuse, mental illness, wealth, intelligence, having powerful friends, quality of parenting, chronic pain, height, physical attractiveness, or any of the other ways that people have different advantages to each other. You don't care about real people with real differences, and only care about the classes that your culture has told you are important. Have you asked yourself why race is more important to you than intelligence or age, which have much more consistent and severe histories of discrimination? > Pretending like less qualified people are being let in, and the straight white males are being denied despite being just as good is a complete lie. Harvard is being sued for racial discrimination. Though the lawsuit is about Asians, whites suffer similar though less severe discrimination: https://www.npr.org/2018/11/02/660734399/harvard-discrimination-trial-is-ending-but-lawsuit-is-far-from-over https://www.npr.org/2018/11/02/660734399/harvard-discriminat...

lopmotr 8y ago

People who think like me by not wanting discrimination based on race? You'll need to find a reference for your claim because it seems obviously wrong. I can think of two ways you might justify your view: A) By assuming that every member of a class has the same characteristics as the class average. This overlooks the existence of privileged wealthy gay black female from Portland who grew up being glorified as a precious minority and of disadvantaged poor straight white males from Appalachia who were abused as children and taught by their whole society that they weren't meant to be successful. You want to give extra advantage to the already-advantaged person because different individuals in her class are disadvantaged. B) Class-based revenge. You accept that individuals are different from their class averages, but it's OK to push some disadvantaged people down and lift advantaged people up as long as it's consistent with your view of which class should be punished for their collective situation. This option seems more realistic because it's not factually wrong like A), and it's consistent with your reference to the millennia of opportunities. There's nothing anybody can do to change the thousands of years of now-dead people so their advantages should have no bearing on what happens today. But you still mentioned them. Maybe you want to correct the balance between classes by putting the advantage in the other direction for another few millennia, under the assumption that two wrongs make a right. You chose race, sex, and sexuality as your classes because that's what your culture told you it's OK to discriminate on. You didn't chose history of psychological abuse, mental illness, wealth, intelligence, having powerful friends, quality of parenting, chronic pain, height, physical attractiveness, or any of the other ways that people have different advantages to each other. You don't care about real people with real differences, and only care about the classes that your culture has told you are important. Have you asked yourself why race is more important to you than intelligence or age, which have much more consistent and severe histories of discrimination? > Pretending like less qualified people are being let in, and the straight white males are being denied despite being just as good is a complete lie. Harvard is being sued for racial discrimination. Though the lawsuit is about Asians, whites suffer similar though less severe discrimination: https://www.npr.org/2018/11/02/660734399/harvard-discrimination-trial-is-ending-but-lawsuit-is-far-from-over https://www.npr.org/2018/11/02/660734399/harvard-discriminat...