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This is an absurd argument, and I'm 50/50 on right to repair. "This is dangerous to disassemble so we shouldn't have to provide instructions, tools, and docume

This is an absurd argument, and I'm 50/50 on right to repair. "This is dangerous to disassemble so we shouldn't have to provide instructions, tools, and documentation on to how to safely disassemble it." Or "Normal people can't repair these things, so we shouldn't be required to help normal people repair these things." Those are exactly the arguments why Apple should provide documentation, parts, and tools! So people don't get hurt!

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
Apple's arguing that some people will hurt themselves no matter what they put in the documentation. If that's true, this legislation really would put them between a rock and a hard place, because you bet I'm suing Apple if a battery blows up while I'm trying my best to follow their official directions.
- holy_city 7y ago
  That's why there's such a thing as limited liability. Guitar amps are a good example - they're extremely dangerous if you're not careful. But manufacturers have provided repair manuals for decades, and I highly doubt any of the people who have hurt themselves because they forgot to discharge the rectifier caps successfully sued the manufacturer because they were being stupid.
  - kakwa_ 7y ago
    I really like how Fender is shipping the schematic with their amp (I hope they still do it). That being said, guitar amps, specially tube amps are indeed extremely dangerous, not only the caps, but also the 300, 400 and sometimes 500 volts DC around the tubes. You need to be extremely cautious when handling these, specially if they are powered and opened (to check voltages in various points of the circuit for example). That being said, I've not seen a lot of guitarists actually opening and servicing their amp themselves, even if the circuits tend to be quite simple and easy to maintain/repair (few components, no SMD).
- bsmith 7y ago
  Agreed. Taken to its logical extreme, imagine someone insisting that some new revolutionary surgical procedure's tooling and instructions should be made public because people "are gonna try to do it themselves, anyway." No bueno.
  - asdff 7y ago
    Ironically that stuff is already public

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

Apple's arguing that some people will hurt themselves no matter what they put in the documentation. If that's true, this legislation really would put them between a rock and a hard place, because you bet I'm suing Apple if a battery blows up while I'm trying my best to follow their official directions.

holy_city 7y ago
That's why there's such a thing as limited liability. Guitar amps are a good example - they're extremely dangerous if you're not careful. But manufacturers have provided repair manuals for decades, and I highly doubt any of the people who have hurt themselves because they forgot to discharge the rectifier caps successfully sued the manufacturer because they were being stupid.
- kakwa_ 7y ago
  I really like how Fender is shipping the schematic with their amp (I hope they still do it). That being said, guitar amps, specially tube amps are indeed extremely dangerous, not only the caps, but also the 300, 400 and sometimes 500 volts DC around the tubes. You need to be extremely cautious when handling these, specially if they are powered and opened (to check voltages in various points of the circuit for example). That being said, I've not seen a lot of guitarists actually opening and servicing their amp themselves, even if the circuits tend to be quite simple and easy to maintain/repair (few components, no SMD).
bsmith 7y ago
Agreed. Taken to its logical extreme, imagine someone insisting that some new revolutionary surgical procedure's tooling and instructions should be made public because people "are gonna try to do it themselves, anyway." No bueno.
- asdff 7y ago
  Ironically that stuff is already public