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Yes, because there's such a healthy, thriving, competitive market in social networking...?

by JeremyBanks 7y ago

henvic 7y ago
And the answer to that is regulating? Of course not. Regulations like these only work out for the powerful.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  > Regulations like these only work out for the powerful. "like these"... if you said that in almost any other context I wouldn't bat an eye. When it's about access controls to the accounts of dead people, I am utterly baffled at how that will benefit the powerful.
  - jetzzz 7y ago
    It is harder for small teams (or even single persons) running small forums to comply with different regulations than it is for a big company. There was a story recently about a guy who was running some specialized forum but decided to shut it down after he started receiving GDPR requests.
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      Do you actually think it would be an unreasonable burden on a small business to have to remove a dead person from a marketing database when requested to by their family?
      - drusepth 7y ago
        It becomes an unreasonable burden when you have dozens or hundreds of small burdens/regulations that aren't unreasonable on their own, but collectively steal a significant amount of time from small businesses trying to balance developing something new and growing with complying with every little regulation they may or may not even know about.
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        Having to remove a dead person from a marketing database when requested to by their family is never an unreasonable burden, it is somewhat shameful that there is even a need to remind people of that. Following regulations requiring this should not require any extra effort because it is something you should already be doing.
        drusepth 7y ago
        While I agree with you, the argument is that adding regulations over hundreds of "little things you should already be doing" is the kind of regulation that hurts small businesses / sole developers that want to focus on developing and growing new products.
- jrochkind1 7y ago
  Who is it you think lack of regulation works out for then?
- cabalamat 7y ago
  Want real competition in social networks? The regulation needed is for all sites with user-generaled content to be required to allow other sites to re-use any public user-generated content, without and legal or technical obstacles. The main reason we don't have proper competition is network effects, and this would be a major way round them. (ideally all social networking websites would be federated using ActivityPub and similar protocols, but this is a minimum).
  - henvic 7y ago
    I am all for decentralization. Heck, I am even working on a business idea that involves it as a core part of the business. However, I feel that decentralization should win the marketplace by providing value and making users adopt it willingly. I hate when things are forced down. There are plenty of alternatives to..., say, Facebook... but many - if not most - people still prefer to use it. So let them do it and please don't force Facebook to change by laws. As a long time IRC user, I hate centralized chat but I respect others' decision to use Slack instead. I want to see decentralization become the norm again naturally. Not forced through evil laws.

Yes, because there's such a healthy, thriving, competitive market in social networking...?

henvic 7y ago

And the answer to that is regulating? Of course not. Regulations like these only work out for the powerful.

Dylan16807 7y ago
> Regulations like these only work out for the powerful. "like these"... if you said that in almost any other context I wouldn't bat an eye. When it's about access controls to the accounts of dead people, I am utterly baffled at how that will benefit the powerful.
- jetzzz 7y ago
  It is harder for small teams (or even single persons) running small forums to comply with different regulations than it is for a big company. There was a story recently about a guy who was running some specialized forum but decided to shut it down after he started receiving GDPR requests.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    Do you actually think it would be an unreasonable burden on a small business to have to remove a dead person from a marketing database when requested to by their family?
    - drusepth 7y ago
      It becomes an unreasonable burden when you have dozens or hundreds of small burdens/regulations that aren't unreasonable on their own, but collectively steal a significant amount of time from small businesses trying to balance developing something new and growing with complying with every little regulation they may or may not even know about.
      - inflatableDodo 7y ago
        Having to remove a dead person from a marketing database when requested to by their family is never an unreasonable burden, it is somewhat shameful that there is even a need to remind people of that. Following regulations requiring this should not require any extra effort because it is something you should already be doing.
        drusepth 7y ago
        While I agree with you, the argument is that adding regulations over hundreds of "little things you should already be doing" is the kind of regulation that hurts small businesses / sole developers that want to focus on developing and growing new products.
jrochkind1 7y ago
Who is it you think lack of regulation works out for then?
cabalamat 7y ago
Want real competition in social networks? The regulation needed is for all sites with user-generaled content to be required to allow other sites to re-use any public user-generated content, without and legal or technical obstacles. The main reason we don't have proper competition is network effects, and this would be a major way round them. (ideally all social networking websites would be federated using ActivityPub and similar protocols, but this is a minimum).
- henvic 7y ago
  I am all for decentralization. Heck, I am even working on a business idea that involves it as a core part of the business. However, I feel that decentralization should win the marketplace by providing value and making users adopt it willingly. I hate when things are forced down. There are plenty of alternatives to..., say, Facebook... but many - if not most - people still prefer to use it. So let them do it and please don't force Facebook to change by laws. As a long time IRC user, I hate centralized chat but I respect others' decision to use Slack instead. I want to see decentralization become the norm again naturally. Not forced through evil laws.