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I wonder if something was lost in translation, if that read " it strips away the illusion" then the component of pretending in this type of play makes sense. I

I wonder if something was lost in translation, if that read " it strips away the illusion" then the component of pretending in this type of play makes sense. I guess much in the same sense that people would probably not be amused if you ran around a Comic Con telling everyone this is just make believe.

mises 7y ago
> I guess much in the same sense that people would probably not be amused if you ran around a Comic Con telling everyone this is just make believe. And yet, this is what an outsider would think (as someone who does not go but has friends who do). Some people would call tinkering with computers "playing", though my spending years on it resulted in a career path. I don't see the issue with "playing". At some point, if you're not doing it for a pay off, that's what it is, and that's fine.
- lopmotr 7y ago
  It doesn't even need a potential career path. Especially now that many people can be unemployed for life and still survive, being able to enjoy an unproductive hobby is itself a useful goal.
  - mises 7y ago
    > many people can be unemployed for life and still survive Unless you mean housewiving, no one can be unemployed for life (save perhaps welfare queens). I still consider housewiving to be a job; it is quite a bit of work. To what are you referring?
    - 1000units 7y ago
      Housewiving is more of a hobby until you have children.
      - wemdyjreichert 7y ago
        Which most housewives have.
    - lopmotr 7y ago
      In my country, you can. I expect most developed western countries are the same. They won't let people starve to death. There's always a safety net of free food and housing no matter how destitute you are. I guess that's what a welfare queen is. But you could also call it enjoying the utopia of a world where productivity is much greater than what's needed to sustain our lives. Whether you're forced into that by being unemployable or by choice, a hobby could be much more satisfying than watching TV all day.
distances 7y ago
> I wonder if something was lost in translation, if that read " it strips away the illusion" then the component of pretending in this type of play makes sense. Yes something was lost. In Finnish there are different words for children's make-believe plays ("leikkiä") and sports/adult games ("pelata"). Your example of comic-con is spot on, I think.
- FakeComments 7y ago
  Given your comment about the two words in Finnish, I think the comment about comic cons has it backwards: > “If someone says we are playing, it strips away everything we made, it strips away the reality,” said Ms. Aarniomaki. She’s objecting to being compared to comics instead of soccer, hence “the reality” being stripped — you’re accusing what they view as akin to gymnastics as being mere fantasy.
  - distances 7y ago
    I'm not sure if I got you right -- a comic convention wouldn't be called with the make-believe word. That would be intentionally belittling if adults (or teenagers, for that matter) are attending. It's used only for small children's plays.

mises 7y ago

> I guess much in the same sense that people would probably not be amused if you ran around a Comic Con telling everyone this is just make believe. And yet, this is what an outsider would think (as someone who does not go but has friends who do). Some people would call tinkering with computers "playing", though my spending years on it resulted in a career path. I don't see the issue with "playing". At some point, if you're not doing it for a pay off, that's what it is, and that's fine.

lopmotr 7y ago
It doesn't even need a potential career path. Especially now that many people can be unemployed for life and still survive, being able to enjoy an unproductive hobby is itself a useful goal.
- mises 7y ago
  > many people can be unemployed for life and still survive Unless you mean housewiving, no one can be unemployed for life (save perhaps welfare queens). I still consider housewiving to be a job; it is quite a bit of work. To what are you referring?
  - 1000units 7y ago
    Housewiving is more of a hobby until you have children.
    - wemdyjreichert 7y ago
      Which most housewives have.
  - lopmotr 7y ago
    In my country, you can. I expect most developed western countries are the same. They won't let people starve to death. There's always a safety net of free food and housing no matter how destitute you are. I guess that's what a welfare queen is. But you could also call it enjoying the utopia of a world where productivity is much greater than what's needed to sustain our lives. Whether you're forced into that by being unemployable or by choice, a hobby could be much more satisfying than watching TV all day.

distances 7y ago

> I wonder if something was lost in translation, if that read " it strips away the illusion" then the component of pretending in this type of play makes sense. Yes something was lost. In Finnish there are different words for children's make-believe plays ("leikkiä") and sports/adult games ("pelata"). Your example of comic-con is spot on, I think.

FakeComments 7y ago
Given your comment about the two words in Finnish, I think the comment about comic cons has it backwards: > “If someone says we are playing, it strips away everything we made, it strips away the reality,” said Ms. Aarniomaki. She’s objecting to being compared to comics instead of soccer, hence “the reality” being stripped — you’re accusing what they view as akin to gymnastics as being mere fantasy.
- distances 7y ago
  I'm not sure if I got you right -- a comic convention wouldn't be called with the make-believe word. That would be intentionally belittling if adults (or teenagers, for that matter) are attending. It's used only for small children's plays.