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I’m not making a judgement on either side but you have the option of not watching the content.

by mprev 7y ago

martin_a 7y ago
But what if I'd really like to and would also be willing to pay a fair amount of money for that but there is no option of doing so?
- mprev 7y ago
  Then, under the system we have today, you still don’t have a right to view it. Whether that’s right or wrong, it’s disingenuous to say there’s no option other than going through unlicensed channels.
  - martin_a 7y ago
    You obviously don't have a right to view it, that's correct. But publishers, studios, whatever you want to call them, don't get tired to tell us that users are not willing to pay for the content etc., but that's simply not true. Most often it's about the hurdles to access the content. Be it scattering over half a dozen platforms, restricted access to specific markets or whatever. They are the ones creating the problems that people find (more or less legal) solutions for.
  - antepodius 7y ago
    Of course. But people's respect for customs and laws isn't infinite. They'll put some effort in, but they're less likely to if it's less convenient and doesn't really seem like a matter of great moral weight. I don't steal playstations out of shops, regardless of how fun it could be, because it's illegal and I'm likely to be punished for it, and because I have some moral qualms about it. Piracy? You're not going to be punished for it, and it's qualitatively different from taking a thing away from someone. With no enforcement, all that stops people from pirating all the time is the comparative inconvenience and moral qualms. When the entity involved is some big, faceless company, and it's a lot more convenient to pirate than buy (even disregarding the money you'd have to spend to buy!)- you could imagine not having any more moral qualms about piracy.
  - mprev 7y ago
    To the people downvoting my comment above: your frustration at the system doesn't make my comment any less true. There isn't a natural right to consume content produced by companies who seem hell bent on making it difficult to access that content.
    - fifnir 7y ago
      > There isn't a natural right to consume content produced by companies who seem hell bent on making it difficult to access that content. There's also no natural right for them to prohibit me from consuming, or to gouge me, or to push for horrible legislation with their unfair amount of influence.
kyriakos 7y ago
I am not saying its morally correct or not, I am just saying that the copyright holders help fuel piracy themselves by imposing these restrictions.
SkyBelow 7y ago
And if it is a popular series that the rest of those around you are pirating, there is a significant cost to not watching it, at least compared to the cost of pirating it.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > And if it is a popular series that the rest of those around you are pirating, there is a significant cost to not watching it No, there's not.
  - SkyBelow 7y ago
    The cost of not being able to participate in pop culture is magnitudes higher than the cost of piracy in a country where the original isn't even sold. Relative measurements matters when measuring two choices, even if both are small in effect to the cost of something unrelated.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      The cost of missing out on any one show, even a popular one, is not even approximately “not being able to participate in popular culture”.

I’m not making a judgement on either side but you have the option of not watching the content.

by mprev 7y ago

I’m not making a judgement on either side but you have the option of not watching the content.

But what if I'd really like to and would also be willing to pay a fair amount of money for that but there is no option of doing so?

mprev 7y ago
Then, under the system we have today, you still don’t have a right to view it. Whether that’s right or wrong, it’s disingenuous to say there’s no option other than going through unlicensed channels.
- martin_a 7y ago
  You obviously don't have a right to view it, that's correct. But publishers, studios, whatever you want to call them, don't get tired to tell us that users are not willing to pay for the content etc., but that's simply not true. Most often it's about the hurdles to access the content. Be it scattering over half a dozen platforms, restricted access to specific markets or whatever. They are the ones creating the problems that people find (more or less legal) solutions for.
- antepodius 7y ago
  Of course. But people's respect for customs and laws isn't infinite. They'll put some effort in, but they're less likely to if it's less convenient and doesn't really seem like a matter of great moral weight. I don't steal playstations out of shops, regardless of how fun it could be, because it's illegal and I'm likely to be punished for it, and because I have some moral qualms about it. Piracy? You're not going to be punished for it, and it's qualitatively different from taking a thing away from someone. With no enforcement, all that stops people from pirating all the time is the comparative inconvenience and moral qualms. When the entity involved is some big, faceless company, and it's a lot more convenient to pirate than buy (even disregarding the money you'd have to spend to buy!)- you could imagine not having any more moral qualms about piracy.
- mprev 7y ago
  To the people downvoting my comment above: your frustration at the system doesn't make my comment any less true. There isn't a natural right to consume content produced by companies who seem hell bent on making it difficult to access that content.
  - fifnir 7y ago
    > There isn't a natural right to consume content produced by companies who seem hell bent on making it difficult to access that content. There's also no natural right for them to prohibit me from consuming, or to gouge me, or to push for horrible legislation with their unfair amount of influence.

kyriakos 7y ago

I am not saying its morally correct or not, I am just saying that the copyright holders help fuel piracy themselves by imposing these restrictions.

SkyBelow 7y ago

And if it is a popular series that the rest of those around you are pirating, there is a significant cost to not watching it, at least compared to the cost of pirating it.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> And if it is a popular series that the rest of those around you are pirating, there is a significant cost to not watching it No, there's not.
- SkyBelow 7y ago
  The cost of not being able to participate in pop culture is magnitudes higher than the cost of piracy in a country where the original isn't even sold. Relative measurements matters when measuring two choices, even if both are small in effect to the cost of something unrelated.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    The cost of missing out on any one show, even a popular one, is not even approximately “not being able to participate in popular culture”.