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A genuine question - can’t you buy a stack of plastic bags and just bring some of them with you? When they introduced the ban on plastic bags in my country, it

by seer 7y ago

A genuine question - can’t you buy a stack of plastic bags and just bring some of them with you? When they introduced the ban on plastic bags in my country, it was more a ban on supermarkets selling them alongside your normal purchase, but you still can buy a stack of a few hundred in speciality shops, and just use that. And if you forget to bring your own you can always buy the pristine reusable ones at a small cost. At least here thats how a lot of people protested the ban for a few years - just brought they’re own plastic bags. Maybe they are banned outright? No way to “smuggle in” a stack or something?

DoreenMichele 7y ago
One of the issues is that most disabled people are also poor. Their disability simultaneously imposes extra expenses and tends to limit earning capacity. Most of the replies here are genuinely not interested in understanding the reasons this stuff is a hot button topic in disabled circles. I'm basically being grilled on the assumption that: A. I'm too stupid to have thought of any obvious solutions being proposed here and this don't have actual legitimate reasons for my preferences. B. I owe the entire world justification for my preferences. C. I speak for and represent the entire disabled community on all topics, even ones I'm only passingly familiar with because they don't happen to be big issues for me in specific. Bags aren't banned where I currently live. They are banned in California. I was living there at the time that they were banned. I was also homeless at the time. People are equally aggressively dismissive of comments I make about the bag ban being a burden on the poorest of the poor. Poor people, disabled people and women seem to all be equally dismissed. And then folks just can't seem to understand the rage some folks in those populations feel about various things. Which is like wow. Seriously?
- 9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
  But plastic bags in bulk are very very cheap. For American living standards it's not even worth a discussion. I'm very sorry you have to live with that horrible disease but the solution is very simple.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  Let's back up a bit. Earlier, you made a post where the whole end chunk was about how going without plastic bags assumes the use of a car. Then someone disagreed, with detailed examples about how it's not dependent on a car. You interpreted this as condescension and not trying to understand you. What the hell? They were disagreeing with a part of your argument that wasn't about you at all, since you don't have a car. They weren't dismissing you because of anything you are. Also, being able to name a way a policy hurts some particular poor or disabled person doesn't mean it's overall bad for that group. For example: Plastic bags can hurt some poor people that can't easily use alternatives. But when bags aren't free then groceries themselves will be slightly cheaper. This will benefit a different subset of poor people. Sometimes other people want to add nuance, too. Disagreement with part of what you say is not dismissing you.
- seer 7y ago
  It’s sad to hear you had such an awful experience. I think every society that introduced allowances for the disabled has been better of as a whole for it. I was thinking with my engineering brain for a simple and obvious solution to a simple and obvious problem. So sorry if that came out as a something dismissive. But yeah looking from so far away it seams California has much bigger problem than plastic bags...

by seer 7y ago

DoreenMichele 7y ago

One of the issues is that most disabled people are also poor. Their disability simultaneously imposes extra expenses and tends to limit earning capacity. Most of the replies here are genuinely not interested in understanding the reasons this stuff is a hot button topic in disabled circles. I'm basically being grilled on the assumption that: A. I'm too stupid to have thought of any obvious solutions being proposed here and this don't have actual legitimate reasons for my preferences. B. I owe the entire world justification for my preferences. C. I speak for and represent the entire disabled community on all topics, even ones I'm only passingly familiar with because they don't happen to be big issues for me in specific. Bags aren't banned where I currently live. They are banned in California. I was living there at the time that they were banned. I was also homeless at the time. People are equally aggressively dismissive of comments I make about the bag ban being a burden on the poorest of the poor. Poor people, disabled people and women seem to all be equally dismissed. And then folks just can't seem to understand the rage some folks in those populations feel about various things. Which is like wow. Seriously?

9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
But plastic bags in bulk are very very cheap. For American living standards it's not even worth a discussion. I'm very sorry you have to live with that horrible disease but the solution is very simple.
Dylan16807 7y ago
Let's back up a bit. Earlier, you made a post where the whole end chunk was about how going without plastic bags assumes the use of a car. Then someone disagreed, with detailed examples about how it's not dependent on a car. You interpreted this as condescension and not trying to understand you. What the hell? They were disagreeing with a part of your argument that wasn't about you at all, since you don't have a car. They weren't dismissing you because of anything you are. Also, being able to name a way a policy hurts some particular poor or disabled person doesn't mean it's overall bad for that group. For example: Plastic bags can hurt some poor people that can't easily use alternatives. But when bags aren't free then groceries themselves will be slightly cheaper. This will benefit a different subset of poor people. Sometimes other people want to add nuance, too. Disagreement with part of what you say is not dismissing you.
seer 7y ago
It’s sad to hear you had such an awful experience. I think every society that introduced allowances for the disabled has been better of as a whole for it. I was thinking with my engineering brain for a simple and obvious solution to a simple and obvious problem. So sorry if that came out as a something dismissive. But yeah looking from so far away it seams California has much bigger problem than plastic bags...