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I'm genuinely interested in understanding what you have to say. It's difficult to understand though, since the only difference in our situations seems to be th
by mikekchar 8y ago
I'm genuinely interested in understanding what you have to say. It's difficult to understand though, since the only difference in our situations seems to be that you want to use plastic bags and I don't. When people are rebutting your arguments, I don't get the feeling that they don't want to understand what you are saying. Rather, I feel that they don't want to agree with what you are saying.
It is very possible that we are all missing something integral to your overall argument, but since all of your individual points have been rebutted, it seems that this thing has been unspoken.
It occurs to me that perhaps it isn't your argument that is falling on deaf ears. It's your feeling. Often times, when making an argument, it is hard to separate the two. If only I felt like you, then I would understand immediately. It's a thing that is hard, if not impossible, to put into words and so try as you might, it seems like nobody is able to understand. Indeed it seems like nobody wants to understand.
I suppose if I try to use my imagination, I can imagine a scenario where I would feel the way you seem to feel. Of course, this is not likely to be the same feeling that you actually have. I hope you will forgive me in that I am probably unable to achieve that. In trying, though, I hope it will provide you the sense that I'm not against you and that even if I disagree with you, I care about your feelings.
There have been many times when I have worked hard to get a system that works for me. Sometimes it's been just at the edge of my ability to achieve that system. I'm not good at everything in the world, unfortunately. In fact, I'm extremely bad at some things and even if I try as hard as I can, I can't maintain a level that would be normal for another person. You could say I am disabled in that sense... but it's not a disability that you can see. Nor is it a disability that you can write down on an application for aide. Honestly, I'm just bad at it. Other people can't understand why and so rarely, if ever, make any allowances for me.
In that environment, I get my system going that allows me to just barely pass the level that is tolerated in society and I have pushed myself to the absolute limit to achieve that system. But then... society changes and they ask me to change my system. I want to break down in shame and cry out, "I *can't do it!", but I know that nobody will understand because it is a small thing for them. I don't know what to do because it is a burden I feel that I can't bear and yet nobody will help me.
If you are feeling that kind of thing, then perhaps I can understand. All I can do is to pass on my support. Probably you'll be surprised that a lot of people feel this way about certain things, but owing to the aforementioned shame, they are reluctant to talk about it (or often even admit it to themselves).
Even if I got this totally wrong, I hope it will make you feel better that somebody tried to understand.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoI'm genuinely interested in understanding what you have to say. It's difficult to understand though, since the only difference in our situations seems to be that you want to use plastic bags and I don't. I have a diagnosis of atypical cystic fibrosis. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you do not. Germ control is a really, really big thing in my life. It is very possible that we are all missing something integral to your overall argument If you will read my comments more closely, you might realize that I'm usually not making an argument. It's other people who turn it into an argument. My first comment was merely an observation, not an argument. The fact that most people here are framing it as an argument to be won is precisely the problem. It is possible to talk to someone with no goal of proving a particular point. It's called conversation. When done right, it can add information to the system that improves decision making. But that can't happen as long as the entire fucking world sees a different experience and different point of view as a threat to their precious status quo that must be shot down before it has any hope of taking root.
- mikekchar 8y ago> But that can't happen as long as the entire fucking world sees a different experience and different point of view as a threat to their precious status quo that must be shot down before it has any hope of taking root. And now I invite you to try to understand my feelings. If you want it not to be "the whole fucking world" to shoot someone down simply because they have a different experience and different point of view, it's really got to start somewhere. You might keep in mind that my initial interaction in the conversation was an offer to try to understand your point of view.
- seer 8y agoA genuine question - can’t you buy a stack of plastic bags and just bring some of them with you? When they introduced the ban on plastic bags in my country, it was more a ban on supermarkets selling them alongside your normal purchase, but you still can buy a stack of a few hundred in speciality shops, and just use that. And if you forget to bring your own you can always buy the pristine reusable ones at a small cost. At least here thats how a lot of people protested the ban for a few years - just brought they’re own plastic bags. Maybe they are banned outright? No way to “smuggle in” a stack or something?