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At my place of work, a tech company with expressly progressive values, we've done a survey. The statistics show a very sharp distinction between men and women.

At my place of work, a tech company with expressly progressive values, we've done a survey. The statistics show a very sharp distinction between men and women. You should ask my management -- who keeps promoting men and shutting out women. We've got some women rising in the ranks: hr, technical writing, marketing. But never on the R&D side.

shrimp_emoji 7y ago
So I gather that by "expressly progressive values" you mean "disingenuous progressive values".
- sodepressed 7y ago
  No no, that wouldn't be generous. Remember, they all have good intentions. This might not sound honest, but it's how I'm expected to talk Loving the downvotes. I've literally been reprimanded for pointing out a pattern of sexist behavior -- 'cause apparently, counting to three before bringing it up to management is SO unfair
  - cobbzilla 7y ago
    fwiw, I wouldn't put too much stock in the responses here; you're likely seeing the HN crowd's version some of the same phenomena you are experiencing in the workplace. A sincere statement is picked apart, minimized, and denied. All of it sucks, and while I do not know your situation much, I'd say certainly keep on the lookout for better environments, and very specifically: find good/directional questions to ask in interviews that give you some leading indicators. I've worked for companies that seemed awesome at interview-time and then turned out to be toxic hell-holes. No company will say "we have a toxic culture"; you have to ask the right questions more subtly to get that info. (I wish I knew what those questions are; I haven't had to endure an interview process in many years; yes I realize how lucky I am; maybe others have suggestions?) Not sure how many options you have, but keep them all open, the positive ones anyway, and I wish you the best.
  - ip26 7y ago
    Loving the downvotes Your original comment seems tangentially related at best. Gender issues, physicists, programmers, office politics... while the article is about farmers, economics, maybe genetics. I get you work with suicidal individuals, but beyond that superficial observation I don't see how what you originally wrote contributes. Maybe I'm just too thick. If you'll excuse me for saying so, you also seem to be spoiling for a fight. FWIW just-barely-related top level comments tend to attract some downvotes.
  - wccrawford 7y ago
    To me it looks like you're being downvoted for standing up for the company and their false "progressive values" stance. The parent suggested that you meant the values were fake, and you responded by defending the term "progressive values". You're probably just not being clear, but it looks like you agree with them. Just because they think they're being progressive doesn't mean they actually are.
t373738 7y ago
Sorry to hear. I hope it gets better. Hang in there.

shrimp_emoji 7y ago

So I gather that by "expressly progressive values" you mean "disingenuous progressive values".

sodepressed 7y ago
No no, that wouldn't be generous. Remember, they all have good intentions. This might not sound honest, but it's how I'm expected to talk Loving the downvotes. I've literally been reprimanded for pointing out a pattern of sexist behavior -- 'cause apparently, counting to three before bringing it up to management is SO unfair
- cobbzilla 7y ago
  fwiw, I wouldn't put too much stock in the responses here; you're likely seeing the HN crowd's version some of the same phenomena you are experiencing in the workplace. A sincere statement is picked apart, minimized, and denied. All of it sucks, and while I do not know your situation much, I'd say certainly keep on the lookout for better environments, and very specifically: find good/directional questions to ask in interviews that give you some leading indicators. I've worked for companies that seemed awesome at interview-time and then turned out to be toxic hell-holes. No company will say "we have a toxic culture"; you have to ask the right questions more subtly to get that info. (I wish I knew what those questions are; I haven't had to endure an interview process in many years; yes I realize how lucky I am; maybe others have suggestions?) Not sure how many options you have, but keep them all open, the positive ones anyway, and I wish you the best.
- ip26 7y ago
  Loving the downvotes Your original comment seems tangentially related at best. Gender issues, physicists, programmers, office politics... while the article is about farmers, economics, maybe genetics. I get you work with suicidal individuals, but beyond that superficial observation I don't see how what you originally wrote contributes. Maybe I'm just too thick. If you'll excuse me for saying so, you also seem to be spoiling for a fight. FWIW just-barely-related top level comments tend to attract some downvotes.
- wccrawford 7y ago
  To me it looks like you're being downvoted for standing up for the company and their false "progressive values" stance. The parent suggested that you meant the values were fake, and you responded by defending the term "progressive values". You're probably just not being clear, but it looks like you agree with them. Just because they think they're being progressive doesn't mean they actually are.

t373738 7y ago

Sorry to hear. I hope it gets better. Hang in there.