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You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. Its a matter of perspective. Do you think the group of people you called cesspool wi

by matz1 8y ago

You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. Its a matter of perspective. Do you think the group of people you called cesspool will just accept that ? In their perspective by banning them, they are the one being oppressed. Of course they are going to fight back and try to create/move to alternative platform.

intertextuality 8y ago
https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 > Gas the kikes Race War Now is not an illegal threat. The supreme court has ruled that a threat needs a place and a time to be considered actionable or illegal. example: We're gassing the kikes at the Freemont Synagogue on 5th avenue, Tuesday. This is the most upvoted comment. We can say things like "it's a matter of perspective", but sometimes things are simply objectively shit. edit, to those of you who think I'm exaggerating, here is one comment in that thread out of many: "Fucking faggots...meanwhile Antifa gets run of every liberal city in the country while the nigs murder us daily...and we aren't even allowed to talk about clownworld." Pretty much any place on the internet that promotes itself solely on being a "free speech zone/place" is trash. Theoretically they should be fine but in practice they just always attract assholes and people who want to say very edgy things. Someone should coin it, "the law of internet free speech zones" or something. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. Proper places of discussion don't have comments like "gas the kikes isn't technically hate speech so we should be allowed to say it here". You can always go ahead and host such a place if you want, but I'll stick to HN, Tildes, and Reddit instead so I can have reasonable discussion.
- matz1 8y ago
  Obviously for the people who posting it and maybe many more people, it is not shit. Well, its trash for you but treasure for others. To them you are the assholes for calling it trash or wanting to get rid of it. Its all have to do with agreeing and disagreeing. To them proper places of discussion is the place where you can have comments like that. Its all matter of prespective.
  - sagichmal 8y ago
    We do get to say that some perspectives are right and some are wrong. Humans are moral agents, we have that ability. And those are wrong.
    - matz1 8y ago
      Yes human are moral agents and at the same time every human are different. What one called "wrong" might not be wrong for other.
      - freehunter 8y ago
        For example, Ted Bundy thought that murdering people was not wrong. We need to respect his morals and allow him to murder freely, because every human has different morals and although the murder victim thinks it's "wrong", we need to respect the opinion of the murderer too.
        matz1 8y ago
        No, depends on your morality. If you thought murder was not wrong than it make sense to respect and follow Ted Bundy but if you thought that murder is wrong, its more sense for you to do the opposite.
      - sagichmal 8y ago
        I don't care about what murderers or white supremacists think. Their morality is wrong, and they don't deserve a seat at society's table.
        matz1 8y ago
        Likewise murderer or white supermacis can say the same thing, that they don't care what you think, your morality is wrong and you don't deserve a seat at society's table
        8y ago
- maximus1983 8y ago
  You do realise that most of this language is from people that are deeply frustrated at the situation they live in and vent on the Internet. Yes they said mean words on the internet? Who cares? I don't. > Pretty much any place on the internet that promotes itself solely on being a "free speech zone/place" is trash. Twitter is equally trash and has plenty of Anti-White, Anti-Jew (mostly in Arabic but nobody talks about it) and Anti-Men rhetoric, Violent threats towards Children and people get a free pass because they have a blue checkmark by their name and the "right" politics. Also the term Hate speech is an ill defined term, which is used when convenient if someone has the wrong politics (e.g. centre-right, libertarian, conservative or religious). The terms is soo badly defined in law that people in the UK are going to prison for posting offensive rap lyrics on facebook. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 > Proper places of discussion don't have comments like "gas the kikes isn't technically hate speech so we should be allowed to say it here". Absolute garbage. This is snobbery and nothing more. I would argue that by just siloing people on the internet it is actually making discussion in general more problematic. In the past, we used IRC, AOL chat room and other things with no moderation. If someone was just being rude all the time, people just ended up ignoring them and they left ... I miss the old internet.
gnadx 8y ago
> You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. This is a bogus argument and I wish people would stop making it.

by matz1 8y ago

intertextuality 8y ago

https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 > Gas the kikes Race War Now is not an illegal threat. The supreme court has ruled that a threat needs a place and a time to be considered actionable or illegal. example: We're gassing the kikes at the Freemont Synagogue on 5th avenue, Tuesday. This is the most upvoted comment. We can say things like "it's a matter of perspective", but sometimes things are simply objectively shit. edit, to those of you who think I'm exaggerating, here is one comment in that thread out of many: "Fucking faggots...meanwhile Antifa gets run of every liberal city in the country while the nigs murder us daily...and we aren't even allowed to talk about clownworld." Pretty much any place on the internet that promotes itself solely on being a "free speech zone/place" is trash. Theoretically they should be fine but in practice they just always attract assholes and people who want to say very edgy things. Someone should coin it, "the law of internet free speech zones" or something. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. Proper places of discussion don't have comments like "gas the kikes isn't technically hate speech so we should be allowed to say it here". You can always go ahead and host such a place if you want, but I'll stick to HN, Tildes, and Reddit instead so I can have reasonable discussion.

matz1 8y ago
Obviously for the people who posting it and maybe many more people, it is not shit. Well, its trash for you but treasure for others. To them you are the assholes for calling it trash or wanting to get rid of it. Its all have to do with agreeing and disagreeing. To them proper places of discussion is the place where you can have comments like that. Its all matter of prespective.
- sagichmal 8y ago
  We do get to say that some perspectives are right and some are wrong. Humans are moral agents, we have that ability. And those are wrong.
  - matz1 8y ago
    Yes human are moral agents and at the same time every human are different. What one called "wrong" might not be wrong for other.
    - freehunter 8y ago
      For example, Ted Bundy thought that murdering people was not wrong. We need to respect his morals and allow him to murder freely, because every human has different morals and although the murder victim thinks it's "wrong", we need to respect the opinion of the murderer too.
      - matz1 8y ago
        No, depends on your morality. If you thought murder was not wrong than it make sense to respect and follow Ted Bundy but if you thought that murder is wrong, its more sense for you to do the opposite.
    - sagichmal 8y ago
      I don't care about what murderers or white supremacists think. Their morality is wrong, and they don't deserve a seat at society's table.
      - matz1 8y ago
        Likewise murderer or white supermacis can say the same thing, that they don't care what you think, your morality is wrong and you don't deserve a seat at society's table
        8y ago
maximus1983 8y ago
You do realise that most of this language is from people that are deeply frustrated at the situation they live in and vent on the Internet. Yes they said mean words on the internet? Who cares? I don't. > Pretty much any place on the internet that promotes itself solely on being a "free speech zone/place" is trash. Twitter is equally trash and has plenty of Anti-White, Anti-Jew (mostly in Arabic but nobody talks about it) and Anti-Men rhetoric, Violent threats towards Children and people get a free pass because they have a blue checkmark by their name and the "right" politics. Also the term Hate speech is an ill defined term, which is used when convenient if someone has the wrong politics (e.g. centre-right, libertarian, conservative or religious). The terms is soo badly defined in law that people in the UK are going to prison for posting offensive rap lyrics on facebook. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921 > Proper places of discussion don't have comments like "gas the kikes isn't technically hate speech so we should be allowed to say it here". Absolute garbage. This is snobbery and nothing more. I would argue that by just siloing people on the internet it is actually making discussion in general more problematic. In the past, we used IRC, AOL chat room and other things with no moderation. If someone was just being rude all the time, people just ended up ignoring them and they left ... I miss the old internet.

gnadx 8y ago

> You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. This is a bogus argument and I wish people would stop making it.