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Did anything happen with Voat, though? I hear frequently (just yesterday, in fact!) about terrorists radicalized on 8chan. I see screenshots of Gab quite often.

by geofft 8y ago

Did anything happen with Voat, though? I hear frequently (just yesterday, in fact!) about terrorists radicalized on 8chan. I see screenshots of Gab quite often. I only hear about Voat in the context of "A few years ago, some people left Reddit." If the net effect is that certain people left Reddit for a platform inviting the worst of Reddit, and then didn't stay there either, that seems like a win.

intertextuality 8y ago
Voat just became a cesspool because it was all about the "free speech". So you had an influx of the worst of reddit + the sort of people who are attracted to free speech areas online. It just died off since then, since 1. nobody really quits reddit, and 2. the aforementioned events made voat culture, well, not great.
- matz1 8y ago
  You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. Its a matter of perspective. Do you think the group of people you called cesspool will just accept that ? In their perspective by banning them, they are the one being oppressed. Of course they are going to fight back and try to create/move to alternative platform.
  - intertextuality 8y ago
    https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 > Gas the kikes Race War Now is not an illegal threat. The supreme court has ruled that a threat needs a place and a time to be considered actionable or illegal. example: We're gassing the kikes at the Freemont Synagogue on 5th avenue, Tuesday. This is the most upvoted comment. We can say things like "it's a matter of perspective", but sometimes things are simply objectively shit. edit, to those of you who think I'm exaggerating, here is one comment in that thread out of many: "Fucking faggots...meanwhile Antifa gets run of every liberal city in the country while the nigs murder us daily...and we aren't even allowed to talk about clownworld." Pretty much any place on the internet that promotes itself solely on being a "free speech zone/place" is trash. Theoretically they should be fine but in practice they just always attract assholes and people who want to say very edgy things. Someone should coin it, "the law of internet free speech zones" or something. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. Proper places of discussion don't have comments like "gas the kikes isn't technically hate speech so we should be allowed to say it here". You can always go ahead and host such a place if you want, but I'll stick to HN, Tildes, and Reddit instead so I can have reasonable discussion.
    - matz1 8y ago
      Obviously for the people who posting it and maybe many more people, it is not shit. Well, its trash for you but treasure for others. To them you are the assholes for calling it trash or wanting to get rid of it. Its all have to do with agreeing and disagreeing. To them proper places of discussion is the place where you can have comments like that. Its all matter of prespective.
      - sagichmal 8y ago
        We do get to say that some perspectives are right and some are wrong. Humans are moral agents, we have that ability. And those are wrong.
        matz1 8y ago
        Yes human are moral agents and at the same time every human are different. What one called "wrong" might not be wrong for other.
        freehunter 8y ago
        For example, Ted Bundy thought that murdering people was not wrong. We need to respect his morals and allow him to murder freely, because every human has different morals and although the murder victim thinks it's "wrong", we need to respect the opinion of the murderer too.
        matz1 8y ago
        No, depends on your morality. If you thought murder was not wrong than it make sense to respect and follow Ted Bundy but if you thought that murder is wrong, its more sense for you to do the opposite.
        sagichmal 8y ago
        I don't care about what murderers or white supremacists think. Their morality is wrong, and they don't deserve a seat at society's table.
  - gnadx 8y ago
    > You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. This is a bogus argument and I wish people would stop making it.
Dumbdo 8y ago
> Did anything happen with Voat, though? Voat is very small luckily, that may be the reason why you're hearing so few of it. If you visit the frontpage, it's full of jewish conspiracies and "gas the jews", as expected.
threeseed 8y ago
Voat is already on its way to being shut down. The owners posted last week a message telling some of their users to stop inciting violence as the Feds were in contact. Given that Voat is ultra-toxic now it's not going to be possible to moderate every piece of content ever posted. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819
- chomp 8y ago
  Wow, I remember joining Voat way back when it first started and it just seemed like an angsty Reddit. I even started a group for my home town. Just read that thread and it's crazy how much it has festered since then. Everyone there just seems so angry all the time, there are zero positive posts on the front page. How do people live their lives so angry all the time?
- Ardren 8y ago
  The top comment on that post is just amazing. Voat really is the place where you can "have your say™"
tzs 8y ago
Voat seems to have four distinct kinds of groups, populated by two distinct kinds of people. The groups are: 1. Groups that were kicked off Reddit for hate or questionable sex, went to voat, and got shut down there, too, or are still there but get very little activity. An example of one that got shut down would be /v/jailbait. An example of one that just gets very little activity would be /v/coontown. It goes months between posts. 2. Questionable sex groups that are somewhat active. /v/loli is an example. 3. Groups on neutral topics that get regular posts, like /v/technology or /v/funny or /v/science. 4. Hate groups with regular posts. (I assume these exist. I've never actually seen one, because I only go to voat when some disucssion elsewhere points to it, and that has never taken me to an active hate group). The two kinds of people are: 1. People who came there for the hate groups. 2. People who came there for the sex groups. The people who came there for the hate groups also post in the neutral groups, so the comments in /v/technology or /v/funny are full of hate stuff. The hate people seem to stay out of the sex groups. I can't tell if the sex people also post in the neutral groups. My guess is that they probably do not. The Voat groups for things like science and technology have nothing that sets them apart from the corresponding Reddit groups except the hate comments. Sex is much easier to compartmentalize than hate. If you like something that most would find unacceptable sexually, there is no reason for that to come up when you participate in, say, a technology or science discussion. You can go to Voat for those sex groups that aren't allowed on Reddit, but stay on Reddit for everything else. Hate group people, on the other hand, are more likely to let it leak out, and so get banned from neutral topic Reddit groups, and so have to go somewhere like Voat for those topics.

by geofft 8y ago

intertextuality 8y ago

Voat just became a cesspool because it was all about the "free speech". So you had an influx of the worst of reddit + the sort of people who are attracted to free speech areas online. It just died off since then, since 1. nobody really quits reddit, and 2. the aforementioned events made voat culture, well, not great.

matz1 8y ago
You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. Its a matter of perspective. Do you think the group of people you called cesspool will just accept that ? In their perspective by banning them, they are the one being oppressed. Of course they are going to fight back and try to create/move to alternative platform.
- intertextuality 8y ago
  https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 > Gas the kikes Race War Now is not an illegal threat. The supreme court has ruled that a threat needs a place and a time to be considered actionable or illegal. example: We're gassing the kikes at the Freemont Synagogue on 5th avenue, Tuesday. This is the most upvoted comment. We can say things like "it's a matter of perspective", but sometimes things are simply objectively shit. edit, to those of you who think I'm exaggerating, here is one comment in that thread out of many: "Fucking faggots...meanwhile Antifa gets run of every liberal city in the country while the nigs murder us daily...and we aren't even allowed to talk about clownworld." Pretty much any place on the internet that promotes itself solely on being a "free speech zone/place" is trash. Theoretically they should be fine but in practice they just always attract assholes and people who want to say very edgy things. Someone should coin it, "the law of internet free speech zones" or something. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. Proper places of discussion don't have comments like "gas the kikes isn't technically hate speech so we should be allowed to say it here". You can always go ahead and host such a place if you want, but I'll stick to HN, Tildes, and Reddit instead so I can have reasonable discussion.
  - matz1 8y ago
    Obviously for the people who posting it and maybe many more people, it is not shit. Well, its trash for you but treasure for others. To them you are the assholes for calling it trash or wanting to get rid of it. Its all have to do with agreeing and disagreeing. To them proper places of discussion is the place where you can have comments like that. Its all matter of prespective.
    - sagichmal 8y ago
      We do get to say that some perspectives are right and some are wrong. Humans are moral agents, we have that ability. And those are wrong.
      - matz1 8y ago
        Yes human are moral agents and at the same time every human are different. What one called "wrong" might not be wrong for other.
        freehunter 8y ago
        For example, Ted Bundy thought that murdering people was not wrong. We need to respect his morals and allow him to murder freely, because every human has different morals and although the murder victim thinks it's "wrong", we need to respect the opinion of the murderer too.
        matz1 8y ago
        No, depends on your morality. If you thought murder was not wrong than it make sense to respect and follow Ted Bundy but if you thought that murder is wrong, its more sense for you to do the opposite.
        sagichmal 8y ago
        I don't care about what murderers or white supremacists think. Their morality is wrong, and they don't deserve a seat at society's table.
- gnadx 8y ago
  > You call it cesspool because you either don't like it or disagree with it. This is a bogus argument and I wish people would stop making it.

Dumbdo 8y ago

> Did anything happen with Voat, though? Voat is very small luckily, that may be the reason why you're hearing so few of it. If you visit the frontpage, it's full of jewish conspiracies and "gas the jews", as expected.

threeseed 8y ago

Voat is already on its way to being shut down. The owners posted last week a message telling some of their users to stop inciting violence as the Feds were in contact. Given that Voat is ultra-toxic now it's not going to be possible to moderate every piece of content ever posted. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819

chomp 8y ago
Wow, I remember joining Voat way back when it first started and it just seemed like an angsty Reddit. I even started a group for my home town. Just read that thread and it's crazy how much it has festered since then. Everyone there just seems so angry all the time, there are zero positive posts on the front page. How do people live their lives so angry all the time?
Ardren 8y ago
The top comment on that post is just amazing. Voat really is the place where you can "have your say™"

tzs 8y ago

Voat seems to have four distinct kinds of groups, populated by two distinct kinds of people. The groups are: 1. Groups that were kicked off Reddit for hate or questionable sex, went to voat, and got shut down there, too, or are still there but get very little activity. An example of one that got shut down would be /v/jailbait. An example of one that just gets very little activity would be /v/coontown. It goes months between posts. 2. Questionable sex groups that are somewhat active. /v/loli is an example. 3. Groups on neutral topics that get regular posts, like /v/technology or /v/funny or /v/science. 4. Hate groups with regular posts. (I assume these exist. I've never actually seen one, because I only go to voat when some disucssion elsewhere points to it, and that has never taken me to an active hate group). The two kinds of people are: 1. People who came there for the hate groups. 2. People who came there for the sex groups. The people who came there for the hate groups also post in the neutral groups, so the comments in /v/technology or /v/funny are full of hate stuff. The hate people seem to stay out of the sex groups. I can't tell if the sex people also post in the neutral groups. My guess is that they probably do not. The Voat groups for things like science and technology have nothing that sets them apart from the corresponding Reddit groups except the hate comments. Sex is much easier to compartmentalize than hate. If you like something that most would find unacceptable sexually, there is no reason for that to come up when you participate in, say, a technology or science discussion. You can go to Voat for those sex groups that aren't allowed on Reddit, but stay on Reddit for everything else. Hate group people, on the other hand, are more likely to let it leak out, and so get banned from neutral topic Reddit groups, and so have to go somewhere like Voat for those topics.