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Not only that, Facebook is designed to lock users inside their services as long as possible. The web, to billions of users now, is simply Facebook. The only way

by trpc 7y ago

Not only that, Facebook is designed to lock users inside their services as long as possible. The web, to billions of users now, is simply Facebook. The only way to make people leave Facebook and visit your website or app is to PAY Facebook to promote your page and posts so that users visit your services. It's the biggest carefully designed theft of time and effort of all time. Facebook must be destroyed or at least weakened by the power of governments now or never. Also most social websites were designed on free labor by users like Quora and Reddit (at least the new corporatist reddit)

return1 7y ago
At least reddit lets you get some pageviews without forcing you to pay. Facebook's pages and likes are a total scam. It's impossible to reach users without paying, while it takes a lot of effort to create the network of likes. That's double effort for zero benefit.
- trpc 7y ago
  I agree that reddit is still the fairest social website even after the many changes they did to monetize their services, which isn't wrong btw since it's in the end a business, Quora is now nothing but a big spam and self promotion website but fortunately they don't have the power to force users to stay in their circle of influence like Facebook. ProductHunt doesn't need a comment, it's a shameless cheesy website designed as "pay for shilling" scheme.
  - paulpauper 7y ago
    quora is def. the worst. Low quality, tons of spam, all the good ppl left, clutters google search results.
    - isoprophlex 7y ago
      > clutters google search results let's not forget Pinterest, the image aggregator slash image search destroyer
grey-area 7y ago
Just stop using it then. I’ve never used it as they are amoral, and don’t feel I missed much. Facebook will fade away in time, like MySpace,yahoo,aol,etc. Various companies from AOL to Apple tried this in the 90’s (e.g. eWorld) - it’s the natural tendency for large corporations to corral their users. Arguably the windows attenpt to kill the web, and later mobile app stores are a continuation of this trend. They all failed in the end, as the open web is more attractive, but there will always be gatekeepers, because most people don’t want to build their own platforms, they just want to read and share their stuff.
- GarrisonPrime 7y ago
  I wish I could, but my elderly parents live on Facebook. They’ll never send me a text, never call my phone, never send me an email. It’s always a Facebook message or call, and they’re upset and confused if I don’t answer.
  - d369c353a12301 7y ago
    >and they’re upset and confused if I don’t answer. Then just let them be upset. Try to explain it to them, but if they don't accept it, then let them be upset. If you back down they will never ever learn it. Never. Not a chance.
    - sbzodnsbd 7y ago
      Parents are hard to cut off. My parents are as paranoid as I am (grew up in a US enabled dictatorship) so it was easy to get them to use Signal. If they weren’t so cool, I’d use FB or WhatsApp But my aunts and uncles and cousins (who, ironically also grew up in this dictatorship) laugh and use Facebook. That’s cool. I don’t talk to them often. They know I love them. And they know I won’t use FB.
      - JohnFen 7y ago
        > Parents are hard to cut off. You wouldn't be cutting them off. They'd be cutting you off by refusing to use any of the myriad other communications methods.
Aeolun 7y ago
You can’t destroy Facebook. My entire life is on Facebook, my friends are on facebook, and all my social life is organized on Facebook. I wouldn’t know what to do with my life if Facebook suddenly disappeared. /s
- walterstucco 7y ago
  You will adapt That's what we humans do
- ethbro 7y ago
  For the many people for whom this is true, that's not a life. It's a personalized ad campaign with your own content.
  - Kiro 7y ago
    That's patronizing. I am one of those people and I love my life.
    - ohithereyou 7y ago
      Put on the f*g glasses[1]! [1] https://mfas3.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/grid-3_thumbnail_retina/s3/TheyLiveSFW_0.jpg?itok=2wVBa1Nb https://mfas3.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/grid-3_thumbnail_retin...
      - thanatropism 7y ago
        Put the glasses on! Put them on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k
      - Kiro 7y ago
        You have been brainwashed by the HN echo chamber. I feel sorry for everyone hating on Facebook just because that's the opinion in fashion right now.
        7y ago
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Kiro 7y ago
I love Facebook and would kill myself if it disappears.
- baq 7y ago
  If you’re serious, I highly recommend scheduling an appointment with a specialist. Facebook isn’t worth anyone’s time, not to mention life.
  - Kiro 7y ago
    Why? I'm extremely happy and full of energy. My life was miserable before Facebook.
- walterstucco 7y ago
  That's why it should be destroyed If it kills you, is not love
- 908087 7y ago
  Seek help.
noarchy 7y ago
>Facebook must be destroyed or at least weakened by the power of governments now or never. I weakened Facebook in my life by reducing my reliance on it, to the point where I stopped using it entirely. The last thing I'd want is for governments to get involved in choices that I should be making for myself. This one is too easy.

by trpc 7y ago

return1 7y ago

At least reddit lets you get some pageviews without forcing you to pay. Facebook's pages and likes are a total scam. It's impossible to reach users without paying, while it takes a lot of effort to create the network of likes. That's double effort for zero benefit.

trpc 7y ago
I agree that reddit is still the fairest social website even after the many changes they did to monetize their services, which isn't wrong btw since it's in the end a business, Quora is now nothing but a big spam and self promotion website but fortunately they don't have the power to force users to stay in their circle of influence like Facebook. ProductHunt doesn't need a comment, it's a shameless cheesy website designed as "pay for shilling" scheme.
- paulpauper 7y ago
  quora is def. the worst. Low quality, tons of spam, all the good ppl left, clutters google search results.
  - isoprophlex 7y ago
    > clutters google search results let's not forget Pinterest, the image aggregator slash image search destroyer

grey-area 7y ago

Just stop using it then. I’ve never used it as they are amoral, and don’t feel I missed much. Facebook will fade away in time, like MySpace,yahoo,aol,etc. Various companies from AOL to Apple tried this in the 90’s (e.g. eWorld) - it’s the natural tendency for large corporations to corral their users. Arguably the windows attenpt to kill the web, and later mobile app stores are a continuation of this trend. They all failed in the end, as the open web is more attractive, but there will always be gatekeepers, because most people don’t want to build their own platforms, they just want to read and share their stuff.

GarrisonPrime 7y ago
I wish I could, but my elderly parents live on Facebook. They’ll never send me a text, never call my phone, never send me an email. It’s always a Facebook message or call, and they’re upset and confused if I don’t answer.
- d369c353a12301 7y ago
  >and they’re upset and confused if I don’t answer. Then just let them be upset. Try to explain it to them, but if they don't accept it, then let them be upset. If you back down they will never ever learn it. Never. Not a chance.
  - sbzodnsbd 7y ago
    Parents are hard to cut off. My parents are as paranoid as I am (grew up in a US enabled dictatorship) so it was easy to get them to use Signal. If they weren’t so cool, I’d use FB or WhatsApp But my aunts and uncles and cousins (who, ironically also grew up in this dictatorship) laugh and use Facebook. That’s cool. I don’t talk to them often. They know I love them. And they know I won’t use FB.
    - JohnFen 7y ago
      > Parents are hard to cut off. You wouldn't be cutting them off. They'd be cutting you off by refusing to use any of the myriad other communications methods.

Aeolun 7y ago

You can’t destroy Facebook. My entire life is on Facebook, my friends are on facebook, and all my social life is organized on Facebook. I wouldn’t know what to do with my life if Facebook suddenly disappeared. /s

walterstucco 7y ago
You will adapt That's what we humans do
ethbro 7y ago
For the many people for whom this is true, that's not a life. It's a personalized ad campaign with your own content.
- Kiro 7y ago
  That's patronizing. I am one of those people and I love my life.
  - ohithereyou 7y ago
    Put on the f*g glasses[1]! [1] https://mfas3.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/grid-3_thumbnail_retina/s3/TheyLiveSFW_0.jpg?itok=2wVBa1Nb https://mfas3.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/grid-3_thumbnail_retin...
    - thanatropism 7y ago
      Put the glasses on! Put them on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k
    - Kiro 7y ago
      You have been brainwashed by the HN echo chamber. I feel sorry for everyone hating on Facebook just because that's the opinion in fashion right now.
      - 7y ago

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Kiro 7y ago

I love Facebook and would kill myself if it disappears.

baq 7y ago
If you’re serious, I highly recommend scheduling an appointment with a specialist. Facebook isn’t worth anyone’s time, not to mention life.
- Kiro 7y ago
  Why? I'm extremely happy and full of energy. My life was miserable before Facebook.
walterstucco 7y ago
That's why it should be destroyed If it kills you, is not love
908087 7y ago
Seek help.

noarchy 7y ago

>Facebook must be destroyed or at least weakened by the power of governments now or never. I weakened Facebook in my life by reducing my reliance on it, to the point where I stopped using it entirely. The last thing I'd want is for governments to get involved in choices that I should be making for myself. This one is too easy.