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“The new 5G wireless technology involves millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) producing photons of much greater energy than even 4G and WiFi. Allowing

“The new 5G wireless technology involves millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) producing photons of much greater energy than even 4G and WiFi. Allowing this technology to be used without proving its safety is reckless in the extreme, as the millimeter waves are known to have a profound effect on all parts of the human body.” -Prof. Trevor Marshall, Director Autoimmunity Research Foundation, California

agumonkey 7y ago
it's gonna be fun to see if people are affraid of 5G or if microwave oven and 2G will keep their spot on the podium
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  I already disable LTE just to avoid Amber alerts. 3G is about 10% slower. Around here, they send all alerts out at the “incoming nuclear missile” level.
  - therealforsen 7y ago
    You should re enable it. Amber alerts are when a kid has been kidnapped and is probably going to raped or killed. You should do your part to watch for the perpetrator.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      I still get them as a push notification through news sources. The local track record has been pretty awful, including absurd lack of geo targeting, too late, referencing a tiny town that nobody has heard of, lack of useful timestamps (last seen at X, but when?), an early morning “end amber alert” alert and the “no charges, father picks up his son from school all the time, no further details will be released”. I think there have only been 5 alerts, 4 were in the above categories and the last still isn’t clear if the child was in danger.
    - rednixion 7y ago
      Probability of injury/death is one of the guideline criteria of the system but depending on where you live is not actually followed
thaumasiotes 7y ago
> millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) That sounds weird. It's a much higher frequency than "UHF" ("ultra high frequency"... radio), but the wavelength of red is over a thousand times shorter. I think of "high frequencies" as being UV and beyond. https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/213/do-photocopy-machines-emit-radiation/ https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/213/do-photocopy-m... > Xerox machines absolutely ooze radiation
Tsubasachan 7y ago
Air polution is known to kill millions of people every year. And not just in India. Cities like Paris and London are mess. Nobody gives a shit.
- mrtksn 7y ago
  This is both irrelevant and wrong. It’s wrong because people do give a shit and these cities are trying to come up with a solution like limiting or completely banning certain pollutants like cars or burning coal etc. The air quality is constantly monitored since years and EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. It’s irrelevant because even if people didn’t given a shit about pollution , wouldn’t mean that they should not give shit to other risks.
  - aries1980 7y ago
    > EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. True, but yet, noone cares: - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reaches-legal-air-pollution-limit-just-one-month-into-the-new-year https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reach... - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-housing-approved-in-area-with-illegal-pollution-levels-lewisham https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-h... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 You can point to the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), which means you can't drive in to very central London (where most people work, but almost noone actually lives there) with a petrol car or van that is older than 13 years. Doesn't sound ultra low to me, compared to hybrids have been produced for more than a decade and electric cars are available to the mainstream. And even this very low bar is enforced to the very inner boroughs only. The 50 years old diesel trains that are running its per-carriage engines at the platform when idle, are an exception of course. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ways-to-meet-the-standard https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/way...
    - mrtksn 7y ago
      I don't get how do you reach the "No one cares" conclusion.
Hasknewbie 7y ago
If you look up that "professor" you will see him quoted saying for the same thing for UMTS (that's 3G...), and spouting non-sense on how he has developed some gizmo to detect "Electromagnetic Sensitive people". Yeah. Also, spamming the thread with multiple unsubstantiated posts in the hope that one of them sticks is not at all the behaviour of a crank. The problem I have with this is that if at one point in the future there is indeed a health risk and skepticism is required, such position will be undermined by years of publishing/posting nonsense like these, where the same pseudo-scientific bullshit is repeated over and over for 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, etc. As a side note, I used to work in the telecom industry for a decade, sometimes having dozens of mobile phones tested in a day, and at some point using a test antenna. You can bet your ass that I kept myself informed with health risks and would have found something else to do had there been any doubt. So would have my colleagues, and so would have consultants that could have walked out on a dime. Like many people in that space I worked for an independent mid-sized company: to think that tens of thousands of people in that industry, scattered among many independent entities, would let themselves be exposed to radiation risks and that they would not say anything is just dumb.

agumonkey 7y ago

it's gonna be fun to see if people are affraid of 5G or if microwave oven and 2G will keep their spot on the podium

Scoundreller 7y ago
I already disable LTE just to avoid Amber alerts. 3G is about 10% slower. Around here, they send all alerts out at the “incoming nuclear missile” level.
- therealforsen 7y ago
  You should re enable it. Amber alerts are when a kid has been kidnapped and is probably going to raped or killed. You should do your part to watch for the perpetrator.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    I still get them as a push notification through news sources. The local track record has been pretty awful, including absurd lack of geo targeting, too late, referencing a tiny town that nobody has heard of, lack of useful timestamps (last seen at X, but when?), an early morning “end amber alert” alert and the “no charges, father picks up his son from school all the time, no further details will be released”. I think there have only been 5 alerts, 4 were in the above categories and the last still isn’t clear if the child was in danger.
  - rednixion 7y ago
    Probability of injury/death is one of the guideline criteria of the system but depending on where you live is not actually followed

thaumasiotes 7y ago

> millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) That sounds weird. It's a much higher frequency than "UHF" ("ultra high frequency"... radio), but the wavelength of red is over a thousand times shorter. I think of "high frequencies" as being UV and beyond. https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/213/do-photocopy-machines-emit-radiation/ https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/213/do-photocopy-m... > Xerox machines absolutely ooze radiation

Tsubasachan 7y ago

Air polution is known to kill millions of people every year. And not just in India. Cities like Paris and London are mess. Nobody gives a shit.

mrtksn 7y ago
This is both irrelevant and wrong. It’s wrong because people do give a shit and these cities are trying to come up with a solution like limiting or completely banning certain pollutants like cars or burning coal etc. The air quality is constantly monitored since years and EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. It’s irrelevant because even if people didn’t given a shit about pollution , wouldn’t mean that they should not give shit to other risks.
- aries1980 7y ago
  > EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. True, but yet, noone cares: - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reaches-legal-air-pollution-limit-just-one-month-into-the-new-year https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reach... - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-housing-approved-in-area-with-illegal-pollution-levels-lewisham https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-h... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 You can point to the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), which means you can't drive in to very central London (where most people work, but almost noone actually lives there) with a petrol car or van that is older than 13 years. Doesn't sound ultra low to me, compared to hybrids have been produced for more than a decade and electric cars are available to the mainstream. And even this very low bar is enforced to the very inner boroughs only. The 50 years old diesel trains that are running its per-carriage engines at the platform when idle, are an exception of course. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ways-to-meet-the-standard https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/way...
  - mrtksn 7y ago
    I don't get how do you reach the "No one cares" conclusion.

Hasknewbie 7y ago

If you look up that "professor" you will see him quoted saying for the same thing for UMTS (that's 3G...), and spouting non-sense on how he has developed some gizmo to detect "Electromagnetic Sensitive people". Yeah. Also, spamming the thread with multiple unsubstantiated posts in the hope that one of them sticks is not at all the behaviour of a crank. The problem I have with this is that if at one point in the future there is indeed a health risk and skepticism is required, such position will be undermined by years of publishing/posting nonsense like these, where the same pseudo-scientific bullshit is repeated over and over for 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, etc. As a side note, I used to work in the telecom industry for a decade, sometimes having dozens of mobile phones tested in a day, and at some point using a test antenna. You can bet your ass that I kept myself informed with health risks and would have found something else to do had there been any doubt. So would have my colleagues, and so would have consultants that could have walked out on a dime. Like many people in that space I worked for an independent mid-sized company: to think that tens of thousands of people in that industry, scattered among many independent entities, would let themselves be exposed to radiation risks and that they would not say anything is just dumb.