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The Terrifying Potential of 5G
- jokowueu 8y agoI love 5G
- ido 8y agowhy?
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- linuxboxer 8y agoThousands of studies link low-level wireless radio frequency radiation exposures to a long list of adverse biological effects, including: DNA single and double strand breaks. Oxidative damage. Disruption of cell metabolism. Increased blood brain barrier permeability. Melatonin reduction. Disruption to brain glucose metabolism. Generation of stress proteins. Let’s not also forget that in 2011 the World Health Organization (WHO) classified radio frequency radiation as a possible 2B carcinogen.
- rhn_mk1 8y agoAny links to back it up?
- thoughtfunction 8y agoYou also get EM radiation from the electric wiring in your house, lightbulbs, the sun and so on. It's also about the strength of that EM radiation that determines is if it's harmful. To compare, your wifi router does a max of 4000mW transmission, which is 4W
- lighteater 8y agoThe 50/60hz wiring radiation is a mild annoyance compared to 2.4 and 5Ghz wifi (I prefer 5Ghz because it seems to transfer less heat to my tissues); I sporadically use 4G on my phone so I don't need a permanent wifi installation in my room. Contrarily, I've found that staring into the sun, early in the morning for seconds up to a few minutes, is quite pleasant. If 5G is much worse than 4G I'm literally getting lead-lined underwear. It's already a bother to keep my phone sufficiently far from my brain and balls while typing this comment. Then again, my sensitivity is way too high. I can also feel whether my microwave is turned on through the wall!
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- crooked-v 8y ago> I prefer 5Ghz because it seems to transfer less heat to my tissues A single 60W incandescent bulb (which has about 10% efficiency for its lighting) transfers more heat to your tissues than a stack of 10 home routers.
- lighteater 8y agoThat's a wide-band transmission with a regular 50hz signal, instead of a narrow-band 2.4/5Ghz modulated by chaotic 10/100/1000Mhz (Mb/s) data. Like the difference between a lightbulb and a tissue-penetrating laser strobe.
- mveety 8y agoNo it isn’t. The antenna is basically just a flashing light bulb for 5 GHz. 5 GHz transfers way less energy into your body than visible or infrared light because it’s not absorbed as readily and each photon has less energy. It’s like the difference between a blue lightbulb and a red lightbulb.
- sjnair96 8y ago>Contrarily, I've found that staring into the sun, early in the morning for seconds up to a few minutes, is quite pleasant. Interesting... What've been your findings?
- bayareanative 8y agoIt's not ionizing radiation AND it's low power. Stop spreading baseless FUD hysteria.
- sytelus 8y agoNon-ionizing radiation does not mean harmless radiation. Low power radiation could be quite harmful when exposure in 24x7 for long term. Power levels reduces probability of DNA damage but if exposure is long term then it’s cumulative effect. People living near cell phone antennas have severe health issues and even phone companies don’t debate this. They are required to put health hazard warning around those antennas for certain perimeter and homes are not allowed to be built close to them. Unfortunately those limits are absolute bare minimum. There huge amount of “research” phone companies have funded to backup these minimum limits and no independent researchers would agree with it. For 5G, numbers of antennas are going to increase by 10X and if you live in city, there is very good chance you are not too far from it.
- reitanqild 8y agoCitation much needed, for this is contrary to anything I've learned (engineer, have worked with radio and radar systems for years, and the only case that I know that hasn't been debunked was from the crew of an electronic warfare ship.) I'm not to good with low level stuff but this might go down to the famous wave/particle thing where one of the experiments that supported the particle explanation was that beneath a certain energy the radiation would not ionize a given material, however long they exposed it and however much radiation it was. (Anyone who knows this better feel free to correct me, this is just what I remember from school when I'm maybe more than twice as old.)
- 0b0001 8y agoIf you're talking to a person 1m away from you, both of you can whisper. If you're 50m away, both of you need to shout. It's similar to radio transmission. The closer some base station antenna is, the lower the power your smartphone needs to reach the base station. Having many base stations reduces the effective field power. Modern LTE and 5G also has something that is called beamforming. Instead of shouting in all directions, the base station restricts the radio signal to the direction of the smartphone. Other won't hear the noise. It's not correct that "faster data" means there's more "EM things" around us. Basically we use the radio transmission more efficiently. tldr: if you wanna avoid radiation, be close to a base station where powersaving kicks in.
- linuxboxer 8y ago“The new 5G wireless technology involves millimeter waves (extremely high frequencies) producing photons of much greater energy than even 4G and WiFi. Allowing this technology to be used without proving its safety is reckless in the extreme, as the millimeter waves are known to have a profound effect on all parts of the human body.” -Prof. Trevor Marshall, Director Autoimmunity Research Foundation, California
- agumonkey 8y agoit's gonna be fun to see if people are affraid of 5G or if microwave oven and 2G will keep their spot on the podium
- Scoundreller 8y agoI already disable LTE just to avoid Amber alerts. 3G is about 10% slower. Around here, they send all alerts out at the “incoming nuclear missile” level.
- therealforsen 8y agoYou should re enable it. Amber alerts are when a kid has been kidnapped and is probably going to raped or killed. You should do your part to watch for the perpetrator.
- Scoundreller 8y agoI still get them as a push notification through news sources. The local track record has been pretty awful, including absurd lack of geo targeting, too late, referencing a tiny town that nobody has heard of, lack of useful timestamps (last seen at X, but when?), an early morning “end amber alert” alert and the “no charges, father picks up his son from school all the time, no further details will be released”. I think there have only been 5 alerts, 4 were in the above categories and the last still isn’t clear if the child was in danger.
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- linuxboxer 8y ago“Along with the 5G there is another thing coming – Internet of Things. If you look at it combined the radiation level is going to increase tremendously and yet the industry is very excited about it…. they project 5G/IoT business to be a $7 trillion business.” -Prof. Girish Kumar, Professor at Electrical Engineering Department at IIT Bombay
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- m0zg 8y agoI'll tell you more. Earth is heated by an ongoing nuclear fusion reaction which emits a wide spectrum of radiation between 430-770THz. The radiation density during daytime is about 1KW/m^2, and some of it is proven to directly cause cancer. Is that "terrifying" enough?
- isostatic 8y agoLadies and Gentlemen of the class of '99 Wear Sunscreen If I could offer you only one tip for the future, Sunscreen would be it The long term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists
- jnsaff2 8y agoThe spectrum is much wider than that tho.
- lighteater 8y agoThere's a new male contraceptive, it's called "keep your phone in your pocket, next to your balls". Now with 10x the dose!
- r3bl 8y agoThere's no evidence that phones cause cancer (nor impotence). It's a reasonable assumption to make, but the evidence doesn't back it up: > The only consistently recognized biological effect of radiofrequency radiation in humans is heating. The ability of microwave ovens to heat food is one example of this effect of radiofrequency radiation. Radiofrequency exposure from cell phone use does cause heating to the area of the body where a cell phone or other device is held (e.g., the ear and head). However, it is not sufficient to measurably increase body temperature. There are no other clearly established effects on the human body from radiofrequency radiation. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/cell-phones-fact-sheet#q2 https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/r...
- kylec 8y agoMaybe I’m not forward thinking enough, but I’ve yet to hear any compelling new use cases for 5G. I’m doubtful it’ll be of much use for self-driving cars or robotic surgery, and 4G is more than fast/low latency enough for my phone needs and the needs of most people. I really don’t see how 5G is going to add anywhere close to $12T to the economy.
- langitbiru 8y agoGame Streaming (like Google Stadia), AR/VR (because you need to download the models which are usually big). Accoding to AngelList newsletter that I read: https://sg-mktg.com/MTU1NTYwNzI3Nnw4YzJTNW5sbi1uQW9ScXVCOElJZExqYkZNc2pIbWY0Y2YzZG1PVHV3d1Z0SVBiUVhxaFU4OEY2WkJoTUt0N08tUFlaTTYyRGo0dG84Zlh5cnhqYlpPTi1VSzM0MHBEM2prckdHM2Jlc1JhcDJXQmZZUjlrOEZJQmV3UEJ4VjFQVDZScll2UW9TaXJaemlkVWNWZFdHNFNFcTUyY2ZPRDhWa29BaHNUcHh0d203YzJTQS1hb2NmclZ0MVM3Tkh6a0pFa2Z2OTcwVzJCakR6VTVnM2tuZ3BYQklJWE5TcVlkRThXUUNRd3Y0U3VMdWhFZEhhWm9pYzNMdGhRRFRCckJremlzRUx1Y0NCUT09fH3OIHQ7IJUN8R1EvI4Nx8YJN5N7ge9jxMzpV_bWzf7f https://sg-mktg.com/MTU1NTYwNzI3Nnw4YzJTNW5sbi1uQW9ScXVCOElJ...
- pdimitar 8y agoThat is reasonable but IMO they are over-estimating the market size. And businesses are very interested in the return of investment metric. Investing in 5G in some of the areas with predicted boom might just turn out to be too expensive in comparison with the expected revenue.
- thereisnospork 8y agoThe big one that grabs my interest is as a cable internet replacement, I would love to be able to ditch Comcast.
- pdimitar 8y agoThey will probably lobby their way out of this as well. Not sure if there's any hope for the USA to break free of carrier oligopoly.
- HammerJack 8y agoIf we should be concerned about the deployment of 5G, it's due to the fact that it will render our weather satellites nearly useless. The frequency they chose for 5G just so happens to be about the same frequency as water's resonance. 5G cell towers would show up as huge points of water concentration and we have no idea how to work around this yet. https://hackaday.com/2019/04/16/5g-buildout-likely-to-put-weather-forecasting-at-risk/ https://hackaday.com/2019/04/16/5g-buildout-likely-to-put-we...
- beautifulfreak 8y agoThe same is reported in the journal, Nature, which requested a comment from the FCC but didn't receive a reply. The Hackaday article contains this line: "FCC Chairman Ajit Pai rejected the request, stating that there was an “absence of any technical basis for the objection.” But the Washington Post really zeroes in on the FCC, reporting unresponsiveness to the NOAA, NASA, and even the House Appropriations Committee. All they're asking for is some time to study the situation, but the FCC won't delay spectrum auctions or even concede that there could be an issue. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01305-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01305-4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/03/13/fcc-auction-off-wireless-spectrum-that-could-interfere-with-vital-weather-data-rejecting-requests-us-house-science-agencies/?utm_term=.5263f9460f5e https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/03/13/fcc-auctio...
- linuxboxer 8y agoWhether people want to believe it or not, 5G is being deployed as both a biological and psychological weapon. Millimetre waves and their effects are well studied and utilised by military in their active denial crowd control systems. Wifi is also dangerous, why would they have chosen 2.4Ghz when this is the frequency absorption spectrum of H2O. The same frequency microwave ovens use to most effectively heat food. Similarly, the frequency absorption spectrum of oxygen is mm wave 60Ghz, 5G is likely to use this spectrum at some point. Next generation wifi (WiGig) has its default frequency based on the oxygen molecules absorption point. This means they are messing with the fundamental elements of biological life. Ethernet cables do not have these same flaws. The surveillance and control aspect of this iot 5G network ecosystem is going to have chilling effects on freedom, liberty and sovereignty. Social credit anyone?
- Ao7bei3s 8y agoFor microwave ovens / water: You have cause and effect reversed. You believe water has an absorption peak at 2.4GHz because microwave ovens use it, not the other way around. In reality, microwave ovens use 2.4GHz because it's legally available (ISM band) and water has a wide absorption spectrum in GHz area (the exact peak shifts wildly with temperature[1]. 2.4GHz is _far_ from optimal). Microwave ovens also contain kilowatt output in a small chamber using RF reflective walls (necessary for the standing waves to develop). Contrast this with the inverse square law for cell towers. For air: The 60GHz allows reduced cell size. This makes it more realistic for you to opt out of receiving everyone else's emissions (by walking away). Also, air is not not "fundamental to biological life" (anaerobic organisms exist). More seriously, at 60GHz and above skin penetration is very, very shallow. Active denial systems use a slightly higher frequency (95GHz) and much higher radiated power (30kW-2.5 MW says Wikipedia). The social aspects of IOT have as much to do with 5G as with, say, smartphones in general. That's just anti-tech. It can be discussed, but it's not an interesting argument in the context of whether 5G is harmful. You are making emotional arguments that are not grounded in technical arguments. [1] Please refer to the chart in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water#Microwaves_and_radio_waves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_...
- purplezooey 8y agoI remember they said a lot of this when 4G was coming out. If it's anything like that we got nothing to worry about. Add some $1200 phones and slightly faster speeds when you're in the middle of the city and you've pretty much summarized it.
- klyrs 8y agoThis title is clickbait
- rj5 8y agoAgreed!
- greggeter 8y agoAt least we won't have to worry so much about the Great AI Induced Job Loss that's coming: "One estimate projects that 5G will pump twelve trillion dollars into the global economy by 2035, and add twenty-two million new jobs in the United States alone."
- Jasmine_Hubbard 8y agoThe implications of 5G are huge, and it will definitely be a huge step forward in daily technological use. Frankly, I'm excited. 100x faster than 4g? That's insane.