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Right. And kicking a rugby ball at full strength from a short distance towards an unprotected goalie might hurt. In the video they're only lightly passing and k

Right. And kicking a rugby ball at full strength from a short distance towards an unprotected goalie might hurt. In the video they're only lightly passing and kicking the ball.

lone_haxx0r 7y ago
This is exactly what I thought. Being hit in the face (or genitalia) by a spherical football hurts a lot if the shooter knows how to shoot and you're relatively close. I don't want to imagine what it feels like to be hit by an ovoid ball.
pbhjpbhj 7y ago
How else would you score? In practice you don't kick the ball at players in football (soccer) or kick/throw it at them in rugby because you might give away possession; but it's a tactic in hardball games like baseball and cricket AIUI. I've only trained as a referee in one sport and it had a "be a sportsman" element to the rules giving the ref leeway to determine that play is unbecoming of the sport and so give away a foul. But in that sport smashing the ball _at_ players is normal. Sure, if you're playing with pals, or for a promotional video then you're going to be less combatative. FWIW the rules don't say you can't knee, pull, or poke (eg in the eye!). Also, the penalty rule sounds impossible - you have to score "from the centre gate", but being in the centre gate is a foul and gives possession to the opposing team ... ah, no, wait: "Moving through the center gate will result in a foul." ... so it's fine, you just aren't allowed to leave the centre gate [does the foul activate from the time of entry or the time of exit?].
- edgarvaldes 7y ago
  >In practice you don't kick the ball at players in football (soccer) Yes you do, just not intentionally. It is common for a player to shoot near the goal line in two ways: excellent placement with just the required strength, or a powerful shot.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    "kick at" implicitly includes intent IMO. You kick the ball and it hits players, but rarely do you intend that as it is often counter productive (not hitting the goal, not making a pass; giving up possession).
    - edgarvaldes 7y ago
      A classical example is the direct free kick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_free_kick#/media/File:Van_Persie_free_kick.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_free_kick#/media/File:V...
- philwelch 7y ago
  The penalty kick is probably considered an exception. > I've only trained as a referee in one sport and it had a "be a sportsman" element to the rules giving the ref leeway to determine that play is unbecoming of the sport and so give away a foul. Curiously, the NFL--which has the single most pointlessly longwinded and legalistic rule book in probably all of sports--has a similar rule allowing referees to do literally anything at their individual discretion in response to any "palpably unfair" action or situation.

Right. And kicking a rugby ball at full strength from a short distance towards an unprotected goalie might hurt. In the video they're only lightly passing and kicking the ball.

lone_haxx0r 7y ago

This is exactly what I thought. Being hit in the face (or genitalia) by a spherical football hurts a lot if the shooter knows how to shoot and you're relatively close. I don't want to imagine what it feels like to be hit by an ovoid ball.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago

How else would you score? In practice you don't kick the ball at players in football (soccer) or kick/throw it at them in rugby because you might give away possession; but it's a tactic in hardball games like baseball and cricket AIUI. I've only trained as a referee in one sport and it had a "be a sportsman" element to the rules giving the ref leeway to determine that play is unbecoming of the sport and so give away a foul. But in that sport smashing the ball _at_ players is normal. Sure, if you're playing with pals, or for a promotional video then you're going to be less combatative. FWIW the rules don't say you can't knee, pull, or poke (eg in the eye!). Also, the penalty rule sounds impossible - you have to score "from the centre gate", but being in the centre gate is a foul and gives possession to the opposing team ... ah, no, wait: "Moving through the center gate will result in a foul." ... so it's fine, you just aren't allowed to leave the centre gate [does the foul activate from the time of entry or the time of exit?].

edgarvaldes 7y ago
>In practice you don't kick the ball at players in football (soccer) Yes you do, just not intentionally. It is common for a player to shoot near the goal line in two ways: excellent placement with just the required strength, or a powerful shot.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  "kick at" implicitly includes intent IMO. You kick the ball and it hits players, but rarely do you intend that as it is often counter productive (not hitting the goal, not making a pass; giving up possession).
  - edgarvaldes 7y ago
    A classical example is the direct free kick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_free_kick#/media/File:Van_Persie_free_kick.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_free_kick#/media/File:V...
philwelch 7y ago
The penalty kick is probably considered an exception. > I've only trained as a referee in one sport and it had a "be a sportsman" element to the rules giving the ref leeway to determine that play is unbecoming of the sport and so give away a foul. Curiously, the NFL--which has the single most pointlessly longwinded and legalistic rule book in probably all of sports--has a similar rule allowing referees to do literally anything at their individual discretion in response to any "palpably unfair" action or situation.