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This is absolutely incredible. I never thought this would be possible-- wasm opens a new phase of software development and deployment.

techntoke 7y ago
Or just use regular Vim and not think that everything needs to run inside of a web browser, especially if you value user privacy and computer resources.
- orev 7y ago
  Would be nice to be able to use vim (or any other editor of your choice) in web text boxes.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - semi-extrinsic 7y ago
    There are browser extensions that offer this. E.g. the excellent Tridactyl for Firefox lets you pop up a gVim window for any text box if you press Ctrl+i.
    - herewulf 7y ago
      This has been possible for years with Vimperator and then Pentadactyl. Unfortunately it's awkward and can't take advantage of text fields with real time JavaScript processing (e.g.: Gmail, Markdown preview).
  - chansiky 7y ago
    There is surfingkeys for chrome. You press `shift+I` to go into into insert mode. [surfing keys](https://github.com/brookhong/Surfingkeys https://github.com/brookhong/Surfingkeys)
  - opan 7y ago
    This is the logic that makes everyone move their workflow into emacs. A lot of what we do is text editing, so having a good text editor everywhere makes sense. Some programs like mutt can also drop in to your editor of choice when composing an email. Imagine if we all had vim for typing up these HN comments. I'd like something like this to be more feasible. Maybe there could be a standard for forums that gives you vim editing in the same way many give you markdown. It could also be cool to support org-mode syntax.
    - feanaro 7y ago
      Imagine if programs knew how to interact with one another and could plumb data between them instead of everything living in one monolithic application.
- laughingman2 7y ago
  Or use emacs.
- beefsack 7y ago
  Don't immediately hand wave away the value of these sorts of things. I don't think anyone would use this as their primary editor, but I'd love something like this in our merge request / code review process, as that's currently entirely browser based already.
  - marquis-chacha 7y ago
    Makes more sense for that process to move to the editor than for the editor to move to the browser. That way you keep all your plugins and whatever other context the same regardless of what you're doing.
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  There is some benefits you may not see atm... I'd love to have my VIM with my config just available as a web service to use it on every device! That's what I already love about NextCloud and the likes - just one install and every device can access it. If you know how you can also make it secure enough for every day stuff - I think to be really secure going offline is not enough anymore.
- johnisgood 7y ago
  Exactly. The first question that came to my mind is: "are the keystrokes logged?"
pjmlp 7y ago
Yeah, right. As if Flash (http://adobe-flash.github.io/crossbridge/ http://adobe-flash.github.io/crossbridge/), PNaCL (https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/reference/pnacl-bitcode-abi https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/reference/pnacl-b...) never existed.
- tty2300 7y ago
  Wasm is company and technology independent and went through the proper process for becoming a standard rather than being forced in by some corp hoping to take over the internet. It also doesn't have any of the security issues because its limited to things JavaScript can do.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Both alternatives that I mentioned, Flash and PNaCL did have open source implementations available, it is just a matter of following the links I posted. WASM doesn't offer any security over internal data corruption as buffer access within linear memory aren't validated for data bounds or nullability. So it is possible, for a WASM module generated from C or C++ code, to provide input data to its functions in such a way that it would compromise its behavior from the outside, even though it doesn't escape the sandbox. Politics.
    - sgift 7y ago
      > Both alternatives that I mentioned, Flash and PNaCL did have open source implementations available, it is just a matter of following the links I posted. At least for Flash I remember that the OSS implementations couldn't run many real-world flash programs. Did this change later?
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        It was good enough to run Unreal.
        7y ago
rajeevk 7y ago
Probably next step would be to run nginx/node in browser! This will enable doing full web development in browser only
- gorkish 7y ago
  I have seen a project which runs a js webserver in a service worker; it's not a terribly far-fetched idea.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  Actually I wonder how hard it would be to run node in a browser, given that it's already JavaScript. You obviously have to have to implement some amount of API surface at a minimum and it's possible that browsers are geared to be servers and clients, but it certainly sounds plausible at a first pass.
ballenf 7y ago
The latency in Safari on a MacBook is better than VSCode. Which makes total sense, but is impressive and demonstrates how much better electron could be.
m463 7y ago
I don't think that's necessary. here's a VNC server in your browser: https://github.com/novnc/noVNC https://github.com/novnc/noVNC or an x window system tutorial, with an in-browser x server https://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/index.html https://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/index.html personally I think this will lead to more hiding of what internet sites are doing, and prevent blocking of undesirable behavior.

techntoke 7y ago

Or just use regular Vim and not think that everything needs to run inside of a web browser, especially if you value user privacy and computer resources.

orev 7y ago
Would be nice to be able to use vim (or any other editor of your choice) in web text boxes.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- semi-extrinsic 7y ago
  There are browser extensions that offer this. E.g. the excellent Tridactyl for Firefox lets you pop up a gVim window for any text box if you press Ctrl+i.
  - herewulf 7y ago
    This has been possible for years with Vimperator and then Pentadactyl. Unfortunately it's awkward and can't take advantage of text fields with real time JavaScript processing (e.g.: Gmail, Markdown preview).
- chansiky 7y ago
  There is surfingkeys for chrome. You press `shift+I` to go into into insert mode. [surfing keys](https://github.com/brookhong/Surfingkeys https://github.com/brookhong/Surfingkeys)
- opan 7y ago
  This is the logic that makes everyone move their workflow into emacs. A lot of what we do is text editing, so having a good text editor everywhere makes sense. Some programs like mutt can also drop in to your editor of choice when composing an email. Imagine if we all had vim for typing up these HN comments. I'd like something like this to be more feasible. Maybe there could be a standard for forums that gives you vim editing in the same way many give you markdown. It could also be cool to support org-mode syntax.
  - feanaro 7y ago
    Imagine if programs knew how to interact with one another and could plumb data between them instead of everything living in one monolithic application.
laughingman2 7y ago
Or use emacs.
beefsack 7y ago
Don't immediately hand wave away the value of these sorts of things. I don't think anyone would use this as their primary editor, but I'd love something like this in our merge request / code review process, as that's currently entirely browser based already.
- marquis-chacha 7y ago
  Makes more sense for that process to move to the editor than for the editor to move to the browser. That way you keep all your plugins and whatever other context the same regardless of what you're doing.
VvR-Ox 7y ago
There is some benefits you may not see atm... I'd love to have my VIM with my config just available as a web service to use it on every device! That's what I already love about NextCloud and the likes - just one install and every device can access it. If you know how you can also make it secure enough for every day stuff - I think to be really secure going offline is not enough anymore.
johnisgood 7y ago
Exactly. The first question that came to my mind is: "are the keystrokes logged?"

pjmlp 7y ago

Yeah, right. As if Flash (http://adobe-flash.github.io/crossbridge/ http://adobe-flash.github.io/crossbridge/), PNaCL (https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/reference/pnacl-bitcode-abi https://developer.chrome.com/native-client/reference/pnacl-b...) never existed.

tty2300 7y ago
Wasm is company and technology independent and went through the proper process for becoming a standard rather than being forced in by some corp hoping to take over the internet. It also doesn't have any of the security issues because its limited to things JavaScript can do.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Both alternatives that I mentioned, Flash and PNaCL did have open source implementations available, it is just a matter of following the links I posted. WASM doesn't offer any security over internal data corruption as buffer access within linear memory aren't validated for data bounds or nullability. So it is possible, for a WASM module generated from C or C++ code, to provide input data to its functions in such a way that it would compromise its behavior from the outside, even though it doesn't escape the sandbox. Politics.
  - sgift 7y ago
    > Both alternatives that I mentioned, Flash and PNaCL did have open source implementations available, it is just a matter of following the links I posted. At least for Flash I remember that the OSS implementations couldn't run many real-world flash programs. Did this change later?
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      It was good enough to run Unreal.
      - 7y ago

rajeevk 7y ago

Probably next step would be to run nginx/node in browser! This will enable doing full web development in browser only

gorkish 7y ago
I have seen a project which runs a js webserver in a service worker; it's not a terribly far-fetched idea.
yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
Actually I wonder how hard it would be to run node in a browser, given that it's already JavaScript. You obviously have to have to implement some amount of API surface at a minimum and it's possible that browsers are geared to be servers and clients, but it certainly sounds plausible at a first pass.

ballenf 7y ago

The latency in Safari on a MacBook is better than VSCode. Which makes total sense, but is impressive and demonstrates how much better electron could be.

m463 7y ago

I don't think that's necessary. here's a VNC server in your browser: https://github.com/novnc/noVNC https://github.com/novnc/noVNC or an x window system tutorial, with an in-browser x server https://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/index.html https://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/index.html personally I think this will lead to more hiding of what internet sites are doing, and prevent blocking of undesirable behavior.