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I know you're joking, but do the social credit points apply on foreigners? People who might want to visit China in the future?

seanmcdirmid 8y ago
The latest article I read in the Chinese press about social credit development said including foreigners in the system was a high priority. Right now, foreigners in China have a hard time getting any kind of credit (eg I had to get a credit card through my wife), so the government wants to fix that. I doubt it will apply to non residents, however.
- gerbilly 8y ago
  > Right now, foreigners in China have a hard time getting any kind of credit [...] so the government wants to fix that. Another case of the cure being worse than the disease.
  - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
    Depending on your point of view. It is annoying not being trusted at all, but at least I can take the fast train even if I post unharmonious content on hacker news.
    - abc-xyz 8y ago
      You're capable of posting unharmonious content on HN with no (visible) consequence, not because you're a foreigner, but because you post the content here.
z2 8y ago
From my understanding, even for nationals, the system is more like a binary blacklist at the moment, where a default on a large debt will result in a court adding someone to that list. As a foreigner visiting recently, I was more affected by private credit scores e.g. Alibaba's 'Sesame' credit score. Specifically, trust-based things like renting a shared bike required a deposit because my Alipay credit score was too low. That seemed sort of reasonable. Less reasonable were the nags I got through the app to invest in Ali investment funds or make purchases to improve my credit score.
duxup 8y ago
No information on that yet. Having said that we see China pushing their market power on brands (the Leica advertisement). Chinese security are contacting Uyghurs in Australia pressuring them to provide information, DNA samples. I wonder if anyone looking to do business in the future might think twice about hiring anyone on a list in China....
freeflight 8y ago
It most likely doesn't. Because it isn't this unified Orwellian nightmare that most Western media usually stylize it as [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/i7UKYUTke58 https://youtu.be/i7UKYUTke58

seanmcdirmid 8y ago

The latest article I read in the Chinese press about social credit development said including foreigners in the system was a high priority. Right now, foreigners in China have a hard time getting any kind of credit (eg I had to get a credit card through my wife), so the government wants to fix that. I doubt it will apply to non residents, however.

gerbilly 8y ago
> Right now, foreigners in China have a hard time getting any kind of credit [...] so the government wants to fix that. Another case of the cure being worse than the disease.
- seanmcdirmid 8y ago
  Depending on your point of view. It is annoying not being trusted at all, but at least I can take the fast train even if I post unharmonious content on hacker news.
  - abc-xyz 8y ago
    You're capable of posting unharmonious content on HN with no (visible) consequence, not because you're a foreigner, but because you post the content here.

z2 8y ago

From my understanding, even for nationals, the system is more like a binary blacklist at the moment, where a default on a large debt will result in a court adding someone to that list. As a foreigner visiting recently, I was more affected by private credit scores e.g. Alibaba's 'Sesame' credit score. Specifically, trust-based things like renting a shared bike required a deposit because my Alipay credit score was too low. That seemed sort of reasonable. Less reasonable were the nags I got through the app to invest in Ali investment funds or make purchases to improve my credit score.

duxup 8y ago

No information on that yet. Having said that we see China pushing their market power on brands (the Leica advertisement). Chinese security are contacting Uyghurs in Australia pressuring them to provide information, DNA samples. I wonder if anyone looking to do business in the future might think twice about hiring anyone on a list in China....

freeflight 8y ago

It most likely doesn't. Because it isn't this unified Orwellian nightmare that most Western media usually stylize it as [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/i7UKYUTke58 https://youtu.be/i7UKYUTke58