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For people who wonder 'but how do these organizations get all that £€¥$ to fund their terrorism acts? Drug trafficking, robberies, kidnapping. Counterfeit prod

For people who wonder 'but how do these organizations get all that £€¥$ to fund their terrorism acts? Drug trafficking, robberies, kidnapping. Counterfeit products and human trafficking are also two more standard 'revenue streams'. In the case of ISIS apparently it was stealing and selling Oil. Depending on the country you live in, bank robberies either contribute to a gangs' income, or if funds local or international terrorism. This is the main reason police does its best to arrest them. The loss of a bank's £€¥$ is bad, threatening some bank employees and customers is bad, funding the next 'Sri Lanka' is far worse (I am NOT pointing fingers or taking sides - just using this example as it was the most recent).

Simple_Guy 8y ago
Let's point out that drug trafficking is only lucrative because it is illegal. Also human trafficking isn't immoral if you don't think that government should be able to lay claim on a piece of the earth, and counterfeit products are also not immoral because you are providing the same products (or similar) at lower cost.
- golergka 8y ago
  > human trafficking isn't immoral if you don't think that government should be able to lay claim on a piece of the earth what
  - sbzodnsbd 8y ago
    He’s a libertarian that forgot that HT is usually associated with forced prostitution or slavery. Which is understandable because nowadays coyotes are being prosecuted as HT. (Hence his quip about borders)
  - Simple_Guy 8y ago
    Why shouldn't I be able to move from one place to another? If a bunch of goons will say I can't, why can't I hire another bunch of goons that say I can?
- HenryBemis 8y ago
  drug trafficking - correct. Everywhere that e.g. recreational drugs have been legalized, the prices dropped. Of course, heroin and other drugs are not legalized, and I don't think society is in as much of a risk from recreational drugs, as much as it is from opioids (which some are legal with a doctor's prescription) human trafficking - this is not "moving populations to some other location giving them houses", I think you got it all wrong. This is your mother/daughter being taken and raped many times per day by many men for many years, your son been cut to pieces and have body parts removed. Go see a doctor. You need help. counterfeit products - you probably have created nothing in your life, so yes. Once you create something, let's see how you will like it if people copy your hard work and deprive you of income. I think you are a troll, or naive-beyond-repair or just a horribe person. Sometimes I wish HN had a 'block' mechanism, so you can block someone and eliminate their writings from our screens.
  - sbzodnsbd 8y ago
    He’s not a troll (I.e. OP is sincere, not just trying to provoke) he’s probably a libertarian that forgot that HT usually refers to forced prostitution. (As opposed to coyotes moving ppl across borders) While the OP’s point was not well articulated (assuming I’m right about his political leanings), this illustrates the importance of the principle of charity; I.e he’s not mental and/or unredeemable. He just has quirky a worldview For the record, I disagree with OP on eliminating borders.
joe_the_user 8y ago
A lot of terrorist organizations have state sponsors. Al Qaida began through sponsorship of the US and Saudi Arabia in an effort to bog down the pro-Soviet Regime then in power in Afghanistan. Edit: Of course, illegal activities help to both supplement state funds and hide their source.
- imglorp 8y ago
  I worked for a tech company in the past that had a product that would help stop kidnappings. We made a sale to the government of a large third world country. They made their first payment and we began to deploy, but obstacles kept arising and nothing more came from it. The subsequent payments weren't made, the product might have disappeared from their warehouse, etc., so we fled the deal. As it turns out, half the government wanted to end kidnappings, while the other half was perpetrating them. Either side was quick to pocket any lose budget on its way to unwary vendors.
agumonkey 8y ago
I wonder how agencies are trying to monitor this .. for once big data and their cookies would be a lovely thing
some_random 8y ago
I was going to mention that ISIS also bootstrapped itself by looting the central bank in Mosul (that was the first time I had heard of them iirc), but it seems that may not have actually happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#cite_ref-245 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...

Simple_Guy 8y ago

Let's point out that drug trafficking is only lucrative because it is illegal. Also human trafficking isn't immoral if you don't think that government should be able to lay claim on a piece of the earth, and counterfeit products are also not immoral because you are providing the same products (or similar) at lower cost.

golergka 8y ago
> human trafficking isn't immoral if you don't think that government should be able to lay claim on a piece of the earth what
- sbzodnsbd 8y ago
  He’s a libertarian that forgot that HT is usually associated with forced prostitution or slavery. Which is understandable because nowadays coyotes are being prosecuted as HT. (Hence his quip about borders)
- Simple_Guy 8y ago
  Why shouldn't I be able to move from one place to another? If a bunch of goons will say I can't, why can't I hire another bunch of goons that say I can?
HenryBemis 8y ago
drug trafficking - correct. Everywhere that e.g. recreational drugs have been legalized, the prices dropped. Of course, heroin and other drugs are not legalized, and I don't think society is in as much of a risk from recreational drugs, as much as it is from opioids (which some are legal with a doctor's prescription) human trafficking - this is not "moving populations to some other location giving them houses", I think you got it all wrong. This is your mother/daughter being taken and raped many times per day by many men for many years, your son been cut to pieces and have body parts removed. Go see a doctor. You need help. counterfeit products - you probably have created nothing in your life, so yes. Once you create something, let's see how you will like it if people copy your hard work and deprive you of income. I think you are a troll, or naive-beyond-repair or just a horribe person. Sometimes I wish HN had a 'block' mechanism, so you can block someone and eliminate their writings from our screens.
- sbzodnsbd 8y ago
  He’s not a troll (I.e. OP is sincere, not just trying to provoke) he’s probably a libertarian that forgot that HT usually refers to forced prostitution. (As opposed to coyotes moving ppl across borders) While the OP’s point was not well articulated (assuming I’m right about his political leanings), this illustrates the importance of the principle of charity; I.e he’s not mental and/or unredeemable. He just has quirky a worldview For the record, I disagree with OP on eliminating borders.

joe_the_user 8y ago

A lot of terrorist organizations have state sponsors. Al Qaida began through sponsorship of the US and Saudi Arabia in an effort to bog down the pro-Soviet Regime then in power in Afghanistan. Edit: Of course, illegal activities help to both supplement state funds and hide their source.

imglorp 8y ago
I worked for a tech company in the past that had a product that would help stop kidnappings. We made a sale to the government of a large third world country. They made their first payment and we began to deploy, but obstacles kept arising and nothing more came from it. The subsequent payments weren't made, the product might have disappeared from their warehouse, etc., so we fled the deal. As it turns out, half the government wanted to end kidnappings, while the other half was perpetrating them. Either side was quick to pocket any lose budget on its way to unwary vendors.

agumonkey 8y ago

I wonder how agencies are trying to monitor this .. for once big data and their cookies would be a lovely thing

some_random 8y ago

I was going to mention that ISIS also bootstrapped itself by looting the central bank in Mosul (that was the first time I had heard of them iirc), but it seems that may not have actually happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#cite_ref-245 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...