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I think it is important to point out that Wayland is a specification[0] and not some blob of software. [0] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/apa.html h

by all2 8y ago

I think it is important to point out that Wayland is a specification[0] and not some blob of software. [0] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/apa.html https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/apa.html

e12e 8y ago
So is x11? There used to be a couple of commercial x servers available for Microsoft windows, for example.
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  Even before Microsoft Windows: Quarterdeck DESQview/X, for example. And of course X-Windows ran on Lisp Machines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview >DESQview/X >Quarterdeck eventually also released a product named DESQview/X (DVX), which was an X Window System server running under DOS and DESQview and thus provided a GUI to which X software (mostly Unix) could be ported. >DESQview/X had three window managers that it launched with, X/Motif, OPEN LOOK, and twm. The default package contained only twm, the others were costly optional extras, as was the ability to interact on TCP/IP networks. Mosaic was ported to DVX. >DVX itself could serve DOS programs and the 16-bit Windows environment across the network as X programs, which made it useful for those who wished to run DOS and Windows programs from their Unix workstations. The same functionality was once available with NCD Wincenter.
dyhtf 8y ago
So is everything else in the world of software. You begin with a specification and then you start writing code.
- all2 8y ago
  Well, sometimes. Paul Graham and others from the lisp-ness crowd talk about coding without a clear idea of where to go. I'm not in a place where I 'speak' any language clearly enough to write without a plan. I suppose for most enterprise stuff what you say is true (how else will we commit to coding targets we won't hit for prices we can't afford on timelines that make dog races look slow? - I suppose I'm a little early in life to be jaded, but I am familiar with bureaucratic nightmares that value image over substance).
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  Ha! In the OSS world that's almost never true. Ihe specification for FUSE is the libfuse source, for instance.

by all2 8y ago

e12e 8y ago

So is x11? There used to be a couple of commercial x servers available for Microsoft windows, for example.

DonHopkins 8y ago
Even before Microsoft Windows: Quarterdeck DESQview/X, for example. And of course X-Windows ran on Lisp Machines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview >DESQview/X >Quarterdeck eventually also released a product named DESQview/X (DVX), which was an X Window System server running under DOS and DESQview and thus provided a GUI to which X software (mostly Unix) could be ported. >DESQview/X had three window managers that it launched with, X/Motif, OPEN LOOK, and twm. The default package contained only twm, the others were costly optional extras, as was the ability to interact on TCP/IP networks. Mosaic was ported to DVX. >DVX itself could serve DOS programs and the 16-bit Windows environment across the network as X programs, which made it useful for those who wished to run DOS and Windows programs from their Unix workstations. The same functionality was once available with NCD Wincenter.

dyhtf 8y ago

So is everything else in the world of software. You begin with a specification and then you start writing code.

all2 8y ago
Well, sometimes. Paul Graham and others from the lisp-ness crowd talk about coding without a clear idea of where to go. I'm not in a place where I 'speak' any language clearly enough to write without a plan. I suppose for most enterprise stuff what you say is true (how else will we commit to coding targets we won't hit for prices we can't afford on timelines that make dog races look slow? - I suppose I'm a little early in life to be jaded, but I am familiar with bureaucratic nightmares that value image over substance).
AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
Ha! In the OSS world that's almost never true. Ihe specification for FUSE is the libfuse source, for instance.