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Given this ruling, the 2012 ruling about GPS trackers, and the ubiquity of number plate scanners, it’s possible someone could challenge the constitutionality of
by kd5bjo 8y ago
Given this ruling, the 2012 ruling about GPS trackers, and the ubiquity of number plate scanners, it’s possible someone could challenge the constitutionality of requiring license plates on vehicles — they’re not all black model Ts anymore, so there’s less need for the registration number to be visible a mile away.
- ScottFree 8y agoIf it goes that route, even the legality of using of drug sniffing dogs comes into question.
- sgustard 8y agoI'd imagine drug dogs sniffing you while you walk down a public street to be unconstitutional. At airports, concert venues, and so on, it seems like you've already consented to being searched.
- chrisdhoover 8y agoThey should be unconstitutional.
- ScottFree 8y agoAccording to whom?
- DINKDINK 8y agoIf the state hasn't shown that an accused has committed a crime before the state trespassed but needs to trespass first to then dig up an ex-post justification for trespassing witch hunts develop.
- ScottFree 8y agoAnd yet, the supreme court has upheld the use of drug sniffing dogs for traffic stops.
- MertsA 8y agoAnd yet, their accuracy is poor to say the least and no objective, informed, reasonable person would conclude that a drug dog scratching someone's paint would be considered probable cause. But here we are.
- DINKDINK 8y agoThe rationale is probably that smelling the air around a car is not trespass.
- ScottFree 8y agoDrug sniffing dogs aren't accurate. You might as well allow the cop to flip a coin and if it comes up heads he has probable cause to search the vehicle. Combine that with civil asset forfeiture laws and you have a nasty incentive. Cops have been caught giving their dogs signals to bark so they can seize the car.
- stestagg 8y agoIf the dog had a collar that sprayed you with chalk to indicate you’d been sniffed...
- dragonwriter 8y agoBoth the GPS and the chalking cases involved a government officer committing a physical trespass. Requiring you to affix a registration plate isn't remotely similar. So, while there might be a challenge available, the GPS and chalking cases don't really pace the way for it in any substantive new way.
- mental1896 8y agoSo all they'd need to do is compel the driver to chalk his own car?
- joncp 8y agoThey already require you to affix a sticker inside the window in many places. That's the same thing.
- tuukkah 8y agoOr to buy a 2-hour parking license for your license plate online.
- roywiggins 8y agoYou could just require a permit to park, and permits are issued by a ticket machine, and are valid for 2 hours (or whatever). Cars without prominently displayed tickets are fined, and cars with expired tickets also. Without the physical intrusion, I don't think this ruling would apply at all.
- dragonwriter 8y ago> So all they'd need to do is compel the driver to chalk his own car? The typical method along those lines is paying at a machine, getting a receipt, and posting the receipt visibly inside the windshield or the street side window, but, yes. This was about physical trespass for information without sufficient cause, not a right not to have parking time tracked.
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- seattle_spring 8y agoOh good, even less chance to catch hit and runs. Removing license plates would mean a field day for criminals all to appease a few tinfoil hat wearers.
- thinkloop 8y agoImagine having to plate and infringe upon 300+ million people just to appease some hit-and-run foil pants wearers
- acct1771 8y agoTinfoil amplifies signals. That, and "conspiracy theorist", are propaganda terms, and should be rejected.
- chapium 8y agoIf you have the correct vitamin supplements you can dampen your output.
- seattle_spring 8y agoYeah, no. /r/conspiracy has a 1000 comment thread that witchhunts people at my friend's company because it shared an address in SF with some dating site loosely related to Hillary Clinton. People I cared about were literally threatened with their lives.
- acct1771 8y agoEverybody that reads about conspiracies, or discusses conspiracy theory, must be just like those people. ...wow.
- dsfyu404ed 8y agoCriminals already just use stolen cars and/or stolen plates.
- donatj 8y ago
- harlanji 8y agoMountain View, CA is already using automated roving photo technology to enforce the 72 hour parking limitation (anti-RV living). Personally I have a coherent position on data retention that could apply to any DB like this and make it ephemeral. Legislation about data retention with room for lossy aggregates like counts.
- blobbers 8y agoWhat do you think the chances are that some city IT department screws that up?
- beverlyhills 8y agoIn Beverly Hills, a shocking percentage of people drive without license plates. Most are dealer advertisement plates. The cops rarely pull people over for this. I like the idea of reverse regulations. Like I shouldn’t have to display my license plate unless I’ve been cited as a dangerous driver.
- acct1771 8y agoOhio does similar to this with "party plates".
- gwillen 8y agoThis only became illegal on January 1, 2019. Before that there was a grace period. So you're going to see a lot less of it.
- colejohnson66 8y agoThis is actually how Steve Jobs got away with not having a license plate. He just got a new car every 5-6 months (the grace period is 6 months)
- Raphmedia 8y agoWhat would stop someone from doing crimes if all car were anonymous?
- acct1771 8y agoThe same thing that stopped people 50-100 years ago. Actual police work.
- Raphmedia 8y agoYou would replace photo radars, red light cameras and automatic paying tolls with actual employees? That sound like a waste of manpower. Does that also mean that petrol is now free since you could just fill up and drive away without ever being recognized? Or are we also putting someone at each pump to make sure nobody drives away? This would also make actual police investigation harder. How would you call the police on someone driving recklessly without being able to provide the plate? What about when they need to find someone that has a done a crime? Should they close down traffic and search every single cars of the same color and make as the criminal's? The only way removing plates would work is if you replace it with something more invasive (i.e. facial recognition). In short, you could do any crimes you currently do with a stolen car or fake plates without any effort.
- tempestn 8y agoRe petrol, you could do what's done everywhere in Canada as far as I know, which is simply have people pay at the pump before filling. (And yes, it works for filling the tank too, since you can authorize a larger amount than is spent.)
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- Raphmedia 8y agoI can't talk about all of Canada but I know that those pump before paying stations are still quite common in the eastern provinces during daytime hours.
- Gibbon1 8y agoThe government is in it rights to very specifically limit what people/corporations/muni's can do with license plate data.
- DINKDINK 8y agoSay a savant in your neighborhood has been able to memorize everyone's license plate, when and where they park. This violates a privacy law on data retention. Do you advocate fining and imprisoning the savant for the facets of her mind? Would you advocate that if this information ended up in a book, that the government should start collecting these books and destroying them? Maybe in a fire? like a book burning?
- Gibbon1 8y ago> Do you advocate fining and imprisoning the savant for the facets of her mind? No I advocate not taking you seriously from now on.
- DINKDINK 8y ago>> Do you advocate fining and imprisoning the savant for the facets of her mind? >No >The government is in it rights to very specifically limit what people[...] can do with license plate data. Ok, thanks for retracting your previous position, for a second there you were advocating for people to be imprisoned for things they do with their mind.
- anbop 8y agoThe Constitution isn’t code, so new behaviors can’t be stumbled into like a buffer overflow. There is no national outrage over license plates and everyone seems pretty OK with them so the Court is not going to throw a massive wrench into society for no reason by making them unconstitutional.
- colejohnson66 8y agoA huge chunk of the population is fine with Trump blocking people he doesn’t like, and a court ruled that unconstitutional. Just because a huge chunk of people support it doesn’t mean it should be legal and upheld in court.
- anbop 8y agoBut that’s a new behavior. How can license plates suddenly become illegal after 100 years, unless there is an “evolving standard of decency” in this regard?