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Why did you select these particular countries, especially Austria, as an example?

mschuster91 8y ago
Simple: Poland and Hungary are under multiple investigations for turning their systems to "illiberal democracies". Austria is on the list because their right-wing party FPÖ is in control of the security agencies (both police and secret service and military), which has led other EU countries to restrict information exchange with their secret services (https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/spionage-wie-rechtspopulisten-die-geheimdienstkooperation-in-europa-gefaehrden/24207944.html?ticket=ST-5501081-txd1cJHQdEjFYYUdbtRe-ap5 https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/spionage-...). For what it's worth I'd also put Italy on the list, with the open fascist Salvini as Interior Minister they're also not a stellar light of democracy any more.
- raxxorrax 8y ago
  I feel the need to defend "illiberal democracies" once again: They didn't implement this shit. They would certainly like to, but they are not the problem. The current problem is the EU as an institution that implements policies based on fear. Not some fringe parties with limited success... You just don't point the finger on someone incontinent while your pants are soaked. Totally not classy.
  - sgift 8y ago
    > They didn't implement this shit. Without the EU council - the assembly of the countries - saying yes there's no new law in the EU. Therefore, saying they didn't implement this shit is wrong. If they didn't want to, they could have stopped it. They also still can stop it if they want to. The vote of the parliament is not the last step. The council has to agree. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and-procedures/legislative-powers http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and... Apart from that most of the legislation that the commission initiates is done because the EU council asked the commission for it. So, the countries asked for this in the first place.
    - raxxorrax 8y ago
      Sure, and those other governments just fell on the wrong button. Complete distortion of the current political landscape. edit: ... and legislative process.
- peteretep 8y ago
  Solid explanation, and even if I feel that including Austria on the list feels a bit OTT, you've linked to a credible news-source showing that it's a valid concern among intelligence agencies. Shame on anyone downloading your comment.
- LoSboccacc 8y ago
  your superiority compelx is showing let me guess: German?
petre 8y ago
Austria has a draft law that would require real names for online comments. The right wingers (FPÖ) lost the election but the centre right (ÖVP) pretty much borrowed from their program. And they'd be stupid not to, because they nearly lost the first time, before the right wingers asked to repeat the elections.

Simple: Poland and Hungary are under multiple investigations for turning their systems to "illiberal democracies". Austria is on the list because their right-wing party FPÖ is in control of the security agencies (both police and secret service and military), which has led other EU countries to restrict information exchange with their secret services (https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/spionage-wie-rechtspopulisten-die-geheimdienstkooperation-in-europa-gefaehrden/24207944.html?ticket=ST-5501081-txd1cJHQdEjFYYUdbtRe-ap5 https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/spionage-...). For what it's worth I'd also put Italy on the list, with the open fascist Salvini as Interior Minister they're also not a stellar light of democracy any more.

raxxorrax 8y ago
I feel the need to defend "illiberal democracies" once again: They didn't implement this shit. They would certainly like to, but they are not the problem. The current problem is the EU as an institution that implements policies based on fear. Not some fringe parties with limited success... You just don't point the finger on someone incontinent while your pants are soaked. Totally not classy.
- sgift 8y ago
  > They didn't implement this shit. Without the EU council - the assembly of the countries - saying yes there's no new law in the EU. Therefore, saying they didn't implement this shit is wrong. If they didn't want to, they could have stopped it. They also still can stop it if they want to. The vote of the parliament is not the last step. The council has to agree. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and-procedures/legislative-powers http://www.europarl.europa.eu/about-parliament/en/powers-and... Apart from that most of the legislation that the commission initiates is done because the EU council asked the commission for it. So, the countries asked for this in the first place.
  - raxxorrax 8y ago
    Sure, and those other governments just fell on the wrong button. Complete distortion of the current political landscape. edit: ... and legislative process.
peteretep 8y ago
Solid explanation, and even if I feel that including Austria on the list feels a bit OTT, you've linked to a credible news-source showing that it's a valid concern among intelligence agencies. Shame on anyone downloading your comment.
LoSboccacc 8y ago
your superiority compelx is showing let me guess: German?

petre 8y ago

Austria has a draft law that would require real names for online comments. The right wingers (FPÖ) lost the election but the centre right (ÖVP) pretty much borrowed from their program. And they'd be stupid not to, because they nearly lost the first time, before the right wingers asked to repeat the elections.