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> We’ve given up so much freedom Arguably it's merely been taken from us. There are plenty of who object, and the TSA is wildly unpopular. That makes little di

> We’ve given up so much freedom Arguably it's merely been taken from us. There are plenty of who object, and the TSA is wildly unpopular. That makes little difference to the fact that the pace continues ever further. I don't mean to be defeatist, but I don't think a sternly worded letter has ever made much of a difference, and probably won't in the future. The only caveat is that when REAL ID takes effect and entire states full of people (e.g. Arizona) simply cannot fly, maybe enough complaints will be generated to come to some compromise. I'm not holding my breath, though.

chrisbolt 8y ago
> The only caveat is that when REAL ID takes effect and entire states full of people (e.g. Arizona) simply cannot fly Citation? https://www.dhs.gov/real-id https://www.dhs.gov/real-id shows Arizona in green.
- coredog64 8y ago
  Next October, a standard AZDL will not be eligible. AZDOT has been sending out notices on how to get an ID valid for air travel, but I’ve been ignoring them because I already have a passport.
Klonoar 8y ago
Most states will offer a form, it seems, or people will just use their passport. I do the latter and will just continue to do so. shrug
- skohan 8y ago
  Even getting a passport in the states is a pain though. Getting an European passport felt like a well-organized formality, while even as a native born citizen getting my US passport felt almost adversarial.
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  - coredog64 8y ago
    IME, it depends on the location. At one post office, the desk clerk was very antagonistic. At another, or at the State Department, it was about the same as getting a DL (except for the wait)
javajosh 8y ago
Why isn't this a political issue? I think it's because politicians are increasingly distracted by re-election, and end up delegating the actual work of governing to enormous bureaucracies, public and private. This delegation comes gladly, for two reasons: first, the risk of mistakes is very high, so the fewer decisions you actually make, the better, and second, the delegated organizations are very good at keeping the real perceived complexity of problems high. (Incidental complexity can be weaponized, like anything else.) That said, the experiment hasn't really been done. Can a politician campaign on restoring the dignity of the American public? Can a politician convince people that security theater is real and really harmful? I would guess not, but I would be glad to support whoever that is.
- raxxorrax 8y ago
  Our press' is complete shit. It focuses on trivialities instead of real political issues. Not their fault though, it is an economic reality forced upon them.

chrisbolt 8y ago

> The only caveat is that when REAL ID takes effect and entire states full of people (e.g. Arizona) simply cannot fly Citation? https://www.dhs.gov/real-id https://www.dhs.gov/real-id shows Arizona in green.

coredog64 8y ago
Next October, a standard AZDL will not be eligible. AZDOT has been sending out notices on how to get an ID valid for air travel, but I’ve been ignoring them because I already have a passport.

Klonoar 8y ago

Most states will offer a form, it seems, or people will just use their passport. I do the latter and will just continue to do so. shrug

skohan 8y ago
Even getting a passport in the states is a pain though. Getting an European passport felt like a well-organized formality, while even as a native born citizen getting my US passport felt almost adversarial.
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- coredog64 8y ago
  IME, it depends on the location. At one post office, the desk clerk was very antagonistic. At another, or at the State Department, it was about the same as getting a DL (except for the wait)

javajosh 8y ago

Why isn't this a political issue? I think it's because politicians are increasingly distracted by re-election, and end up delegating the actual work of governing to enormous bureaucracies, public and private. This delegation comes gladly, for two reasons: first, the risk of mistakes is very high, so the fewer decisions you actually make, the better, and second, the delegated organizations are very good at keeping the real perceived complexity of problems high. (Incidental complexity can be weaponized, like anything else.) That said, the experiment hasn't really been done. Can a politician campaign on restoring the dignity of the American public? Can a politician convince people that security theater is real and really harmful? I would guess not, but I would be glad to support whoever that is.

raxxorrax 8y ago
Our press' is complete shit. It focuses on trivialities instead of real political issues. Not their fault though, it is an economic reality forced upon them.