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I'd be more willing to work for Google if they had a history of not caving in to lynch mobs and punishing the leaders, instead of the other way around.

kelnos 8y ago
I'm confused. Are you likening people who are upset about mishandled sexual misconduct allegations to lynch mobs?
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TKWasRight 8y ago
I currently work for Google and share your sentiment. There is a small minority of employee activists that really drag the place down and their voices are unfortunately the ones that seem to get amplified. I don't get how they aren't put on PIPs or told to hit the road.
- dekhn 8y ago
  I'd like to say, clearly: I worked at Google and really felt uncomfortable with how a small fraction of the employees dominated the inner communication channels and pretended like everybody agreed with them. Many of us were afraid to speak up after a number of incidents due to the climate. However, over team it really became clear that a small number of people were repeatedly dominating the discourse in an unreasonable way. I don't think the management is just gonna toss the protestors on PIPs without strong evidence they aren't getting their daily jobs done.
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    A small group of the most outspoken people always dominates discourse in any group of reasonable scale. It's how group dynamics work. The question that matters is if those attitudes reflect wider attitudes at the company. And I think the answer is yes. The dominant speakers spoke popular opinions.
    - TKWasRight 8y ago
      Maybe for MTV and NYC...but go out to Google's DCs and you'll find 80%+ conservatives who don't agree with all the anti-military and demonization of the right that goes on internally.
      - joshuamorton 8y ago
        Which is different than what you said before. That there are some who disagree with those views is obvious. But you're claiming a large majority dissent. Even if every DC employee shared your views, which they don't, it wouldn't back your claim
        TKWasRight 8y ago
        What did I say before that conflicts with the regional and office differences I pointed out? I never claimed that a large portion dissent.
        joshuamorton 8y ago
        I'm making statements about absolute numbers. If something like 80% of google employees as a whole are democratic, and 80% of DC techs are conservative, then what you said about regional differences is true, however your claims about the ideas you dislike being held by a small but vocal minority would not be true. The specific claim I'm addressing is the one that you made and that dekhn echoed, that these are the views of only a minority. To give an extreme example, extrapolating from the opinions of DC techs wouldn't make sense if google employed only a single DC tech.
    - DuskStar 8y ago
      >And I think the answer is yes. >The dominant speakers spoke popular opinions. I'm not sure this is actually the case. There was a survey a year or so back that listed 'Libertarian' as the most common political leaning among SV tech workers [0]. People who reported being 'Very Liberal' were far more comfortable sharing their political opinions at work, though. And judging from the lynch mobs we've seen in the past few years... Well, there's a few good reasons to avoid mentioning libertarian or conservative political views in SV. 0: https://joinlincoln.org/viewpoint-diversity https://joinlincoln.org/viewpoint-diversity

kelnos 8y ago

I'm confused. Are you likening people who are upset about mishandled sexual misconduct allegations to lynch mobs?

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TKWasRight 8y ago

I currently work for Google and share your sentiment. There is a small minority of employee activists that really drag the place down and their voices are unfortunately the ones that seem to get amplified. I don't get how they aren't put on PIPs or told to hit the road.

dekhn 8y ago
I'd like to say, clearly: I worked at Google and really felt uncomfortable with how a small fraction of the employees dominated the inner communication channels and pretended like everybody agreed with them. Many of us were afraid to speak up after a number of incidents due to the climate. However, over team it really became clear that a small number of people were repeatedly dominating the discourse in an unreasonable way. I don't think the management is just gonna toss the protestors on PIPs without strong evidence they aren't getting their daily jobs done.
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  A small group of the most outspoken people always dominates discourse in any group of reasonable scale. It's how group dynamics work. The question that matters is if those attitudes reflect wider attitudes at the company. And I think the answer is yes. The dominant speakers spoke popular opinions.
  - TKWasRight 8y ago
    Maybe for MTV and NYC...but go out to Google's DCs and you'll find 80%+ conservatives who don't agree with all the anti-military and demonization of the right that goes on internally.
    - joshuamorton 8y ago
      Which is different than what you said before. That there are some who disagree with those views is obvious. But you're claiming a large majority dissent. Even if every DC employee shared your views, which they don't, it wouldn't back your claim
      - TKWasRight 8y ago
        What did I say before that conflicts with the regional and office differences I pointed out? I never claimed that a large portion dissent.
        joshuamorton 8y ago
        I'm making statements about absolute numbers. If something like 80% of google employees as a whole are democratic, and 80% of DC techs are conservative, then what you said about regional differences is true, however your claims about the ideas you dislike being held by a small but vocal minority would not be true. The specific claim I'm addressing is the one that you made and that dekhn echoed, that these are the views of only a minority. To give an extreme example, extrapolating from the opinions of DC techs wouldn't make sense if google employed only a single DC tech.
  - DuskStar 8y ago
    >And I think the answer is yes. >The dominant speakers spoke popular opinions. I'm not sure this is actually the case. There was a survey a year or so back that listed 'Libertarian' as the most common political leaning among SV tech workers [0]. People who reported being 'Very Liberal' were far more comfortable sharing their political opinions at work, though. And judging from the lynch mobs we've seen in the past few years... Well, there's a few good reasons to avoid mentioning libertarian or conservative political views in SV. 0: https://joinlincoln.org/viewpoint-diversity https://joinlincoln.org/viewpoint-diversity