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I've posted this elsewhere (forgot here or reddit). I'm gainfully employed. A former colleague who is now in a hiring position at a new company reached out to m

by fma 8y ago

I've posted this elsewhere (forgot here or reddit). I'm gainfully employed. A former colleague who is now in a hiring position at a new company reached out to me. Said they have several openings and are having a hard time hiring good people. It would be a much longer commute, working/rewriting some older tech to be cloud ready (I did that at my current and previous employer). We started talking about salary. I told him what I made. He told me...he could match that. I thought to myself...that's not how it works. I'm sure I could have negotiated higher. But I wonder if he thinks I inflated my salary and those said match. Keeping in mind my current company has some of the best benefits I've seen outside of Silcone Valley...

revvx 8y ago
> He told me...he could match that. I think he was just honest. In those cases, I'd answer with "Ok but I need X% more because of the commute and the hassle of changing jobs".
- walshemj 8y ago
  And that X% needs to be post tax
negamax 8y ago
Make sure you don’t end up in the same hierarchy as your friend
- fma 8y ago
  I woulda been reporting to him :)
pm90 8y ago
> I told him what I made. Never make that mistake. Never ever disclose your salary information to someone that you potentially could work for. I think a situation where we were required by law to disclose, or a company where such a thing was common (GitLab) would be exceptions. But otherwise, I've found it to be a huge mistake to disclose your exact salary or numbers to anyone.
- Scarblac 8y ago
  Why?
  - have_faith 8y ago
    Because it has no bearing on how much you are worth to them and is only used by the new employer to gauge how little they think they can offer you. There is no benefit in disclosing it.
  - sundaeofshock 8y ago
    Because they use for the basis of their offer. Most people don’t really know what the market is paying for the skills and experience, so they are already operating blindly. A 15-20% increase over current salary sounds like a lot, particularly if the potential employee is unaware that the market supports 50% (or more) above their current salary. This practice favors the employer so much that it is illegal in California (and a few other states) to ask for salary history.
    - CapricornNoble 8y ago
      >>This practice favors the employer so much that it is illegal in California (and a few other states) to ask for salary history. That's interesting....when submitting resumes for US Federal government (GS) jobs, their resume guidelines include salary, hours worked, and points of contact for each position. I wonder how positions advertised in the State of California can be reconciled with what you've shared?
      - dannypgh 8y ago
        I would imagine the federal government has enough transparency and process regarding pay scales to make this moot.
        CapricornNoble 8y ago
        Lemme clarify: your application FOR a Federal position is expected to include your PREVIOUS salaries, regardless of whether they were public or private sector. So if you are a California resident and you submit an application for a Federal position in California, but you don't disclose your previous salaries, I wonder if they consider your application incomplete? If that was used as justification for rejecting your application, would you have grounds to dispute that rejection legally?

by fma 8y ago

revvx 8y ago

> He told me...he could match that. I think he was just honest. In those cases, I'd answer with "Ok but I need X% more because of the commute and the hassle of changing jobs".

walshemj 8y ago
And that X% needs to be post tax

negamax 8y ago

Make sure you don’t end up in the same hierarchy as your friend

fma 8y ago
I woulda been reporting to him :)

pm90 8y ago

> I told him what I made. Never make that mistake. Never ever disclose your salary information to someone that you potentially could work for. I think a situation where we were required by law to disclose, or a company where such a thing was common (GitLab) would be exceptions. But otherwise, I've found it to be a huge mistake to disclose your exact salary or numbers to anyone.

Scarblac 8y ago
Why?
- have_faith 8y ago
  Because it has no bearing on how much you are worth to them and is only used by the new employer to gauge how little they think they can offer you. There is no benefit in disclosing it.
- sundaeofshock 8y ago
  Because they use for the basis of their offer. Most people don’t really know what the market is paying for the skills and experience, so they are already operating blindly. A 15-20% increase over current salary sounds like a lot, particularly if the potential employee is unaware that the market supports 50% (or more) above their current salary. This practice favors the employer so much that it is illegal in California (and a few other states) to ask for salary history.
  - CapricornNoble 8y ago
    >>This practice favors the employer so much that it is illegal in California (and a few other states) to ask for salary history. That's interesting....when submitting resumes for US Federal government (GS) jobs, their resume guidelines include salary, hours worked, and points of contact for each position. I wonder how positions advertised in the State of California can be reconciled with what you've shared?
    - dannypgh 8y ago
      I would imagine the federal government has enough transparency and process regarding pay scales to make this moot.
      - CapricornNoble 8y ago
        Lemme clarify: your application FOR a Federal position is expected to include your PREVIOUS salaries, regardless of whether they were public or private sector. So if you are a California resident and you submit an application for a Federal position in California, but you don't disclose your previous salaries, I wonder if they consider your application incomplete? If that was used as justification for rejecting your application, would you have grounds to dispute that rejection legally?