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It would take a law since as it stands it would defeat the purpose of these devices: to spy.

by api 8y ago

briandear 8y ago
The purpose of a webcam is to spy?
- api 8y ago
  I was thinking more of Alexa type devices.
  - dymk 8y ago
    Where’s it been shown that Amazon Echos spy on you?
    - pixl97 8y ago
      The purpose of a knife is to cut. You simply trust the wielder of it, perhaps more than you should.
      - lisper 8y ago
        This entire branch of the discussion is being buried in downvotes, but that is actually a very good analogy. Except in the case of Alexa, it's like you are holding the onion and someone else is slicing it. With a very sharp knife.
      - fwip 8y ago
        Analogously, the purpose of an Echo is to listen. A sheath is an off-switch for a blade.
      - HNKingpin 8y ago
        Don't think this analogy really applies. I mean you have complete control of the knife - it's a physical tool you hold in your hand. Can't compare this with any electronic device at all, which always does lots of stuff behind your back.
      - dymk 8y ago
        But as the owner of the Echo, which only transmits after the wake word, you are the one that wields that knife.
        justinclift 8y ago
        > which only transmits after the wake word In theory. Plenty of reported instances of audio being recorded in situations where the wake word wasn't used, was misheard, etc. So the wake word concept doesn't seem reliable. :(
    - deno 8y ago
      https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Amazon-reveals-private-voice-data-files-4256015.html https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Amazon-reveals-priva... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone-listening-to-you-on-alexa-a-global-team-reviews-audio?srnd=premium https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone...
- snaky 8y ago
  Could we ask any Chinese webcam vendors - which are constantly upload the stream to some Chinese clouds - what the main purpose of their devices is?
  - 6nf 8y ago
    Oh it's for convenience so I can log in remotely and view my camera, pay no attention to the Chinese server farm in the middle.

It would take a law since as it stands it would defeat the purpose of these devices: to spy.

by api 8y ago

It would take a law since as it stands it would defeat the purpose of these devices: to spy.

briandear 8y ago

The purpose of a webcam is to spy?

api 8y ago
I was thinking more of Alexa type devices.
- dymk 8y ago
  Where’s it been shown that Amazon Echos spy on you?
  - pixl97 8y ago
    The purpose of a knife is to cut. You simply trust the wielder of it, perhaps more than you should.
    - lisper 8y ago
      This entire branch of the discussion is being buried in downvotes, but that is actually a very good analogy. Except in the case of Alexa, it's like you are holding the onion and someone else is slicing it. With a very sharp knife.
    - fwip 8y ago
      Analogously, the purpose of an Echo is to listen. A sheath is an off-switch for a blade.
    - HNKingpin 8y ago
      Don't think this analogy really applies. I mean you have complete control of the knife - it's a physical tool you hold in your hand. Can't compare this with any electronic device at all, which always does lots of stuff behind your back.
    - dymk 8y ago
      But as the owner of the Echo, which only transmits after the wake word, you are the one that wields that knife.
      - justinclift 8y ago
        > which only transmits after the wake word In theory. Plenty of reported instances of audio being recorded in situations where the wake word wasn't used, was misheard, etc. So the wake word concept doesn't seem reliable. :(
  - deno 8y ago
    https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Amazon-reveals-private-voice-data-files-4256015.html https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Amazon-reveals-priva... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone-listening-to-you-on-alexa-a-global-team-reviews-audio?srnd=premium https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone...
snaky 8y ago
Could we ask any Chinese webcam vendors - which are constantly upload the stream to some Chinese clouds - what the main purpose of their devices is?
- 6nf 8y ago
  Oh it's for convenience so I can log in remotely and view my camera, pay no attention to the Chinese server farm in the middle.