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I've been using Kubuntu since 18.04. The performance has been good i.e. much better than Ubuntu w/ Gnome, and most things are relatively painless/intuitive to s

I've been using Kubuntu since 18.04. The performance has been good i.e. much better than Ubuntu w/ Gnome, and most things are relatively painless/intuitive to setup when needed. KDE has some decent themes as well to get it to look a little more polished than the default theme.

s_kilk 8y ago
I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can do with a tiling WM (also dwm, xmonad etc) is just insane. Makes more sense to me since most of the tools I use are lightweight, e.g. suckless (surf), a complete process tree after login now consists of: ?─┬─?───i3-wrapper───i3 ├─sh───xautolock ├─sh───unclutter ├─sh───dunst───2*[{dunst}] ├─sh───i3bar───sh───python───{python} ├─sh───x-terminal-emul─┬─3*[bash] │ ├─bash───pstree │ └─6*[{x-terminal-emul}] └─systemd─┬─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon │ └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}] ├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dconf-service───2*[{dconf-service}] ├─dirmngr ├─gconfd-2 ├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───2*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}] ├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}] │ └─2*[{gvfsd}] ├─gvfsd-metadata───2*[{gvfsd-metadata}] ├─pulseaudio───2*[{pulseaudio}] └─tracker-store───4*[{tracker-store}] $> sudo smem -c pss -t | tail -1 606032 ^^^^ as commenter below pointed out this includes processes from other users. the correct figure is smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 Use compton if you need some bells+whistles (transparency). If you want to get rid of X.org and use Wayland[0] just use sway[1] instead as drop-in replacement for i3. [0] The real story behind Wayland and X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [1] https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/
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  - Crinus 8y ago
    Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)
    - DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
      oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
      - Crinus 8y ago
        Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
    - Zardoz84 8y ago
      Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.
      - Crinus 8y ago
        I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.
viraptor 8y ago
This really came with kde5. I get why they started using the name "plasma desktop". It's almost completely different thing from kde4. Whatever options / expectations people had after kde4 and earlier, they just shouldn't apply.
- Crinus 8y ago
  AFAIK they call it Plasma (just Plasma, not Plasma Desktop) because that is now the name for what was previously called KDE and KDE now is the name of the community and project that acts as an umbrella for various other projects, including Plasma but also applications such as Krita, KDevelop, Amarok, etc. The desktop environment isn't officially called KDE anymore, it is Plasma.
  - kijin 8y ago
    Does this mean that Kubuntu will become Pubuntu at some point? It's weird seeing a KDE product without a single K in its name.
Kaiyou 8y ago
I was an avid Kubuntu user in the KDE 3.X days over a decade ago. Some significant changes were made to the project poisoning the well for me, personally, since then. Still kind of curios: would the current KDE offer anything to a i3wm user?
- wink 8y ago
  You can run both in parallel, I wrote about it a while ago - https://f5n.org/blog/2018/i3-kde5-plasma/ https://f5n.org/blog/2018/i3-kde5-plasma/ - and actually drafted a post about whether I'm happy with that choice (TLDR: very happy, but not sure I need KDE at all).

s_kilk 8y ago

I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can do with a tiling WM (also dwm, xmonad etc) is just insane. Makes more sense to me since most of the tools I use are lightweight, e.g. suckless (surf), a complete process tree after login now consists of: ?─┬─?───i3-wrapper───i3 ├─sh───xautolock ├─sh───unclutter ├─sh───dunst───2*[{dunst}] ├─sh───i3bar───sh───python───{python} ├─sh───x-terminal-emul─┬─3*[bash] │ ├─bash───pstree │ └─6*[{x-terminal-emul}] └─systemd─┬─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon │ └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}] ├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dconf-service───2*[{dconf-service}] ├─dirmngr ├─gconfd-2 ├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───2*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}] ├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}] │ └─2*[{gvfsd}] ├─gvfsd-metadata───2*[{gvfsd-metadata}] ├─pulseaudio───2*[{pulseaudio}] └─tracker-store───4*[{tracker-store}] $> sudo smem -c pss -t | tail -1 606032 ^^^^ as commenter below pointed out this includes processes from other users. the correct figure is smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 Use compton if you need some bells+whistles (transparency). If you want to get rid of X.org and use Wayland[0] just use sway[1] instead as drop-in replacement for i3. [0] The real story behind Wayland and X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ [1] https://swaywm.org/ https://swaywm.org/
- deleted 8y ago
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- Crinus 8y ago
  Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)
  - DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
    oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0
    - Crinus 8y ago
      Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
  - Zardoz84 8y ago
    Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.
    - Crinus 8y ago
      I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.

viraptor 8y ago

This really came with kde5. I get why they started using the name "plasma desktop". It's almost completely different thing from kde4. Whatever options / expectations people had after kde4 and earlier, they just shouldn't apply.

Crinus 8y ago
AFAIK they call it Plasma (just Plasma, not Plasma Desktop) because that is now the name for what was previously called KDE and KDE now is the name of the community and project that acts as an umbrella for various other projects, including Plasma but also applications such as Krita, KDevelop, Amarok, etc. The desktop environment isn't officially called KDE anymore, it is Plasma.
- kijin 8y ago
  Does this mean that Kubuntu will become Pubuntu at some point? It's weird seeing a KDE product without a single K in its name.

Kaiyou 8y ago

I was an avid Kubuntu user in the KDE 3.X days over a decade ago. Some significant changes were made to the project poisoning the well for me, personally, since then. Still kind of curios: would the current KDE offer anything to a i3wm user?

wink 8y ago
You can run both in parallel, I wrote about it a while ago - https://f5n.org/blog/2018/i3-kde5-plasma/ https://f5n.org/blog/2018/i3-kde5-plasma/ - and actually drafted a post about whether I'm happy with that choice (TLDR: very happy, but not sure I need KDE at all).