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Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those stricture
by microcolonel 8y ago
Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul.
If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way.
Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could take offense, but continue to follow all the other common orthodox Jewish rules/interpretations on the basis that she hasn't personally been offended by them. It seems like a bit of a shallow way to decide what rules are appropriate.
- exelius 8y agoIt’s pretty clear the author is Orthodox, so this is within her community. That said, many forms of Orthodox Judaism aren’t far off from what we would call “radical Islam” when it comes to their views on women (they don’t wear an abaya, but many wear wigs and full-body covering).
- esarbe 8y agoWhy is this downvoted? Seems pretty much on the spot.
- eddieroger 8y agoBecause the author writes that her synagogue is a member of the Conservative movement, which is not the same as the Orthodox movement? It's not so much "pretty clear" as it is "wrong."
- esarbe 8y agoAh, thanks for clarifying! I'm not familiar with the many facets of religion, so thanks for the help?
- Geeek 8y agoShe is not, she clearly identifies herself as part of Conservative Judaism.
- exelius 8y agoYeah, exactly. I have more than one (female) Orthodox friend and they’re constantly having to stand up to elders within their own communities for respect. The older generations still believe women shouldn’t work.
- microcolonel 8y agoDisagreement with orthodoxy is heterodox. You can't be orthodox and heterodox at the same time, that makes no sense.
- true_religion 8y agoYou can be mostly orthodox except for one practice. Absolutism is hard.
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- lazerwalker 8y agoYou say the phrase "exact strictures of the religion", as if there aren't an untold number of different ways to interpret a set of religious texts that are in many places explicitly and intentionally ambiguous.
- microcolonel 8y agoI said strictures, not scriptures. They don't need to read any scripture again to know the rule about women's names they seem to be employing. It is a very, very common rule that certain groups of Jews follow, and they don't need to justify it with an interpretation of scripture every time.
- lazerwalker 8y agoYes, but you also described it as the strictures of "the religion", as if there is a single monolithic Judaism that universally follows that rule. She disagrees with the way they operate; she doesn't need to justify herself either. They were able to come to a satisfactory business agreement regardless. I think what I'm responding to is that your circumcision comparison made it sound like you're suggesting she's somehow "less Jewish" or an outsider to Judaism, when in fact the specific thing she's disagreeing with isn't a universal part of the religion.
- microcolonel 8y ago> Yes, but you also described it as the strictures of "the religion", as if there is a single monolithic Judaism that universally follows that rule. I don't see why this has to degrade to an argument of semantics, but here we go. Just as if we were talking about Hokkien, we could talk about "the language" Hokkien, despite the fact that you could say "the language" and mean Chinese (which may include Hokkien) in some other context. Right now we're talking about this specific publication's circle of association. They clearly have different religious rules than Deborah, but she is still Jewish. > I think what I'm responding to is that your circumcision comparison made it sound like you're suggesting she's somehow "less Jewish" or an outsider to Judaism She is, in relative terms, more of an outsider to this specific publication's Judaism than somebody who would agree with their first offer (assuming they still hold the view that their first offer was preferable).
- Geeek 8y agoAs someone who grew up Hasidic (and spoke only Yiddish until 17) I am also not sure what the article is attempting to do here. Is she trying to bring attention to the sexist attitudes of the Hasidic community? They wanted something, she wanted something else, they paid as per the new conditions. End of story.
- mikorym 8y agoI think the point of the article is that taking away someone's identity because she happens to be a woman is something that she has the right to oppose, especially if she is that woman. Also, they were dishonest. Personally, I would side with her view regardless of what kind of religion or publication type it may be.
- Geeek 8y agoSo again, is she trying to bring awareness? Is she trying to show how she morally disagreed with something and then...nothing happened? I am no longer Hasidic and I absolutely side with her stance regarding the name used but I still do not understand the point of the article.
- lazerwalker 8y agoI mean, this is a short blog post on her personal blog, right? I don't know if there's that much more to it than "here's an interesting story that happened to me, including being happy to tell you about how I was able to donate $500 to some good organizations".
- celticninja 8y agoIs there anything wrong with highlighting the sexism of the Hasidic community? Shouldn't religious intolerance be called out wherever we see it? All sexism is bad, regardless of its root cause.
- Geeek 8y agoNo, it's good. But it wasn't clear to me, especially since an article purely focusing on sexism within the hasidic jewish community doesn't usually make it to the front page of HN.
- hycaria 8y ago>The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, Sounds a bit ironic to tolerate using work from a woman without being willing to give her full credit then. Maybe they should get pictures from a male photographer next time.