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They didn't try to, they actually won. Microsoft switching to Blink was had news for Mozilla, and sites that are "optimized for Chrome" started to crop up all o

They didn't try to, they actually won. Microsoft switching to Blink was had news for Mozilla, and sites that are "optimized for Chrome" started to crop up all over the place. Yes, Firefox is slow on Macs, but you should consider switching to it. We know how it went with IE back then. On Android, the extension support alone makes it so much better than the competition.

jhasse 8y ago
> On Android, the extension support alone makes it so much better than the competition. Firefox doesn't open links handled by apps directly with the app, like almost every other Android browser does. This makes it unusable for me. Here's the bug report (7 years old) btw: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806385 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806385
- anhner 8y ago
  I consider that a feature. If I go to youtube.com with firefox, it means that I intentionally want to avoid opening the app, so I don't want every video I click on in firefox to open with the youtube app. However, I think there was an option to have it enabled if you wish to.
  - jhasse 8y ago
    > However, I think there was an option to have it enabled if you wish to. No, otherwise that bug would have been marked as fixed.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    +1. YouTube example is spot-on, as this is no.1 case where I actively avoid the app in favor of the browser. YoutTube's app and mobile website have some ridiculously stupid extra filtering that silently removes many videos - videos that are suddenly accessible if you check the "Request desktop version" box in the browsers. It's almost an universal occurrence that the video I'm searching for is one that gets silently filtered out in the app.
    - GrayShade 8y ago
      Nb. with extensions you can also get background play and even ad blocking on YouTube.
      - TeMPOraL 8y ago
        > background play Oooh, I so very much want that. Thanks, I'll check it out!
        GrayShade 8y ago
        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...
- icebraining 8y ago
  Eh, that's interesting, I quite prefer that behavior over Chrome's, as it gives me more control with (what I feel is) minimal extra effort.
  - kkarakk 8y ago
    it slows down your workflow with minimum effort too. transforming/accessing data quickly is a big part of doing anything on mobile and i don't need a browser that stops the flow in between
- eythian 8y ago
  I personally don't mind that. Also, it gives you a button to open the page in the app, so it's not like it makes it unusable.
msla 8y ago
When Firefox killed RSS support, they mutilated my bookmarks to remove all of the RSS URLs. Those bookmarks were mine, and Firefox destroyed them without even giving me a chance to opt-out. I can't use Firefox if it's going to do stuff like that. I use qutebrowser, instead.
- deleted 8y ago
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- GrayShade 8y ago
  To be fair, they communicated that change. Did you miss the chance to export your RSS list? I think it was supposed to export an OPML so you could add them to another feed reader. Some of them are even available as Firefox extensions. > without even giving me a chance to opt-out It didn't flip a pref, the infrastructure behind that feature was removed because it was a maintenance nightmare, and not enough people were using it. You could have opted out (for a while) by switching to the ESR. I haven't tried qutebrowser, does it have extension or RSS support?
  - msla 8y ago
    > I haven't tried qutebrowser, does it have extension or RSS support? It has a userscript: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/master/misc/userscripts/rss https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/master/misc/... ... but extensions in qutebrowser are admittedly in a very early and immature state now, and the codebase for them is going to be changed.
- headsoup 8y ago
  Didn't Firefox automatically export them to an OPML file on your desktop?
  - msla 8y ago
    No.
    - 8y ago
irrational 8y ago
Is Firefox slow on Mac for you? I haven't noticed slowness in a long time.
- GrayShade 8y ago
  I don't use a Mac, but it's a known issue with the high-resolution ones. I believe it doesn't use the OS compositor, so it ends up redrawing too much. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191965 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191965
  - spiralganglion 8y ago
    I've used a few retina Macs to do various kinds of web dev. Firefox tends to do some things fastest (eg: re-layout when resizing the window), some things the slowest (eg: certain large, complex CSS animations). For most things, it's perceptually equivalent to Chrome or Safari. Some things that are fast/good in Chrome will be slow/bad in FF, and vice versa. The biggest shortcomings I currently face are (1) a lot of banding when layering lots of complex gradients, due to a poor job of dithering and (2) weird handling of certain colors on my P3 display due to the assumption that colors are in the full display space rather than sRGB.
    - lou1306 8y ago
      A big problem of early Quantum Firefox on HiDPI Macs was its high battery usage. I think it got slightly better with later releases, but I don't have data to support that.
      - acdha 8y ago
        For people running in non-default scaled resolutions. In the default configuration it's somewhere in between Safari (best) and Chrome (worst).
        8y ago

jhasse 8y ago

> On Android, the extension support alone makes it so much better than the competition. Firefox doesn't open links handled by apps directly with the app, like almost every other Android browser does. This makes it unusable for me. Here's the bug report (7 years old) btw: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806385 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806385

anhner 8y ago
I consider that a feature. If I go to youtube.com with firefox, it means that I intentionally want to avoid opening the app, so I don't want every video I click on in firefox to open with the youtube app. However, I think there was an option to have it enabled if you wish to.
- jhasse 8y ago
  > However, I think there was an option to have it enabled if you wish to. No, otherwise that bug would have been marked as fixed.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  +1. YouTube example is spot-on, as this is no.1 case where I actively avoid the app in favor of the browser. YoutTube's app and mobile website have some ridiculously stupid extra filtering that silently removes many videos - videos that are suddenly accessible if you check the "Request desktop version" box in the browsers. It's almost an universal occurrence that the video I'm searching for is one that gets silently filtered out in the app.
  - GrayShade 8y ago
    Nb. with extensions you can also get background play and even ad blocking on YouTube.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      > background play Oooh, I so very much want that. Thanks, I'll check it out!
      - GrayShade 8y ago
        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...
icebraining 8y ago
Eh, that's interesting, I quite prefer that behavior over Chrome's, as it gives me more control with (what I feel is) minimal extra effort.
- kkarakk 8y ago
  it slows down your workflow with minimum effort too. transforming/accessing data quickly is a big part of doing anything on mobile and i don't need a browser that stops the flow in between
eythian 8y ago
I personally don't mind that. Also, it gives you a button to open the page in the app, so it's not like it makes it unusable.

msla 8y ago

When Firefox killed RSS support, they mutilated my bookmarks to remove all of the RSS URLs. Those bookmarks were mine, and Firefox destroyed them without even giving me a chance to opt-out. I can't use Firefox if it's going to do stuff like that. I use qutebrowser, instead.

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GrayShade 8y ago
To be fair, they communicated that change. Did you miss the chance to export your RSS list? I think it was supposed to export an OPML so you could add them to another feed reader. Some of them are even available as Firefox extensions. > without even giving me a chance to opt-out It didn't flip a pref, the infrastructure behind that feature was removed because it was a maintenance nightmare, and not enough people were using it. You could have opted out (for a while) by switching to the ESR. I haven't tried qutebrowser, does it have extension or RSS support?
- msla 8y ago
  > I haven't tried qutebrowser, does it have extension or RSS support? It has a userscript: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/master/misc/userscripts/rss https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/master/misc/... ... but extensions in qutebrowser are admittedly in a very early and immature state now, and the codebase for them is going to be changed.
headsoup 8y ago
Didn't Firefox automatically export them to an OPML file on your desktop?
- msla 8y ago
  No.
  - 8y ago

irrational 8y ago

Is Firefox slow on Mac for you? I haven't noticed slowness in a long time.

GrayShade 8y ago
I don't use a Mac, but it's a known issue with the high-resolution ones. I believe it doesn't use the OS compositor, so it ends up redrawing too much. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191965 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191965
- spiralganglion 8y ago
  I've used a few retina Macs to do various kinds of web dev. Firefox tends to do some things fastest (eg: re-layout when resizing the window), some things the slowest (eg: certain large, complex CSS animations). For most things, it's perceptually equivalent to Chrome or Safari. Some things that are fast/good in Chrome will be slow/bad in FF, and vice versa. The biggest shortcomings I currently face are (1) a lot of banding when layering lots of complex gradients, due to a poor job of dithering and (2) weird handling of certain colors on my P3 display due to the assumption that colors are in the full display space rather than sRGB.
  - lou1306 8y ago
    A big problem of early Quantum Firefox on HiDPI Macs was its high battery usage. I think it got slightly better with later releases, but I don't have data to support that.
    - acdha 8y ago
      For people running in non-default scaled resolutions. In the default configuration it's somewhere in between Safari (best) and Chrome (worst).
      - 8y ago