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> Since we release on a 6 month cadence, we’re starting to name releases by season and year, which means our next release is now CockroachDB Spring ‘19. Ugh. Y
by jazoom 7y ago
> Since we release on a 6 month cadence, we’re starting to name releases by season and year, which means our next release is now CockroachDB Spring ‘19.
Ugh. You'd think the creators of a multiregion database would realise half the planet has Autumn the same time as the other half has Spring.
> It also eliminates the mental gymnastics needed to figure out how old a release is
I guess not.
- jbverschoor 7y agoProbably looking a bit too much at salesforce
- kakarot 7y agoI think IntelliJ's 20XX.X model works great. Sequester big changes for annual upgrades and introduce minor features throughout the year.
- kolinko 7y agoHalf the planet, but 90% of population, and probably 95% of users.
- lugg 7y agoThat logic only works when something like month doesn't.
- lukecameron 7y agoI think the problem isn't the % of population that lives in a particular hemisphere, it's that the seasonal versioning scheme forces you to think about which hemisphere the software was created in. I'd say most users of an open source database would be aware that there is software being written in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc.
- mrspeaker 7y agoBest thing about moving to the US was that all those phrases "coming summer 2019" actually make sense! In Australia we don't really use seasons as references (the seasons aren't as distinct as they are here) - and because they were then flipped as well I never really thought they had a real meaning. I guess I must have known they did have a real meaning, but my "consumer" grasp of them was more like vague marketing fluff that meant "will probably be out eventually"!
- edanm 7y agoWhat a brilliant observation, I love finding things like that where you never really thought consciously about something. I'm similar to you, though I don't even have the excuse of living with different seasons - I just never really thought about it.
- foobarbazetc 7y agoAs an also-Australian, my brain just doesn’t process seasons like Americans. If someone says “coming in the Spring” I literally have no idea when that is. The dates of seasons are meaningless.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoAs a Polish person, my brain hates these too, even though we have proper seasons here. When I see "coming in the Spring", my mind is all "that's 20-ish of March, I think... or maybe April... no, December is definitely winter, so it must be March!". Seasons are dumb. I remember reading a rant on the Internet once that advocated that we should recognize two seasons - summer and winter. You could put the boundary at equinoxes, with summer encompassing both traditional summer and spring, and winter encompassing traditional autumn and winter. The definition would be simple: summer is when it's kind of warm most of the time, winter is when it's kind of cold most of the time. I remember this resonating with me much more than the traditional definition. Going back to temporal coordinates, the older I get the more confident I am in feeling that, for terrestrial use, anything that's not an ISO 8601 date is garbage and should not be used.
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- Izkata 7y ago> and winter encompassing traditional autumn and winter. The definition would be simple: summer is when it's kind of warm most of the time, winter is when it's kind of cold most of the time. At least in the part of the US I'm from, we only used "Fall" for "Autumn", because colloquially it was already defined as a simple and pretty tight (but often slightly different each year) period: When the leaves on trees have changed color, but not yet all fallen off.
- knz42 7y ago> > Since we release on a 6 month cadence, we’re starting to name releases by season and year, which means our next release is now CockroachDB Spring ‘19. > Ugh. You'd think the creators of a multiregion database would realise half the planet has Autumn the same time as the other half has Spring. The season name will only be produced in marketing materials mainly targeting North America and Europe. The technical product will be named "19.1". The season name will not appear in an install.
- zapzupnz 7y ago> in marketing materials mainly targeting North America and Europe Except that the rest of the world sees the exact same internet and the services are available online through the world wide web, something anybody from anywhere (barring cenorship) can see. Even if Cockroach Labs delivers a different website to people outside North America and Europe that don't reference the seasons, the rest of the world will still manage to happen upon either those materials of other people who reference the naming scheme used by those materials. Why not save the hassle and just not bother with the season naming at all? There's enough evidence from the comment section to show such a scheme was insufficiently thought through for an internationally-available product available online that likely has an international community of users who will very likely chat amongst themselves, referencing marketing material not intended for everybody's consumption.
- united893 7y agoApologies for being pedantic, but nearly 90% of the world's population lives in the Northern Hemisphere, which also holds most of the land as well. I'd say they're only 10% off
- BurningFrog 7y agoHemispherically true, though if you live near the equator, I don't think you have these kinds of seasons.
- stephenr 7y agoGreat except a bunch of places are tropical and thus don’t have four seasons as you experience it. Thailand technically has three and people only really reference one (“winter”) Also, I know “summer” means you get more leeway on when to actually release but is “mid year” or “late 2019” or “around November” really that hard, especially given that from what I hear, your seasons all start on weird dates?? (In Australia seasons officially start on the first of a given month)
- wtmt 7y agoIndia officially has four seasons, but they are winter, summer, monsoon and post-monsoon (autumn). Depending on the place, the year may also have six seasons of two months each. [1] In general conversations, you may find people talking about summer and winter, with a sprinkling of rainy season, and not much about others. So any definition that goes by some restricted American version (as pointed out by people living in the U.S. here) of seasons is not really applicable to 90% of the world's population. As you dig deeper into the climate of different countries, states/provinces, regions, etc., you may probably find your 90% figure drop to 10% or less. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_India#Seasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_India#Seasons
- mping 7y agoJust read it as 1st or 2nd semester. Works in all hemispheres
- ClassyJacket 7y agoThis isn't a university - what the hell is a semester?
- tech2 7y agoIn NZ, first semester starts near the end of February. Second starts early July.
- doubleunplussed 7y agoUniversity semesters are also out of phase between the hemispheres. 1st semester is ~late summer/early autumn for both.
- bigdubs 7y agoI'm not conding the spring/summer naming (personally I'd just leave it at january/june), but the bulk of the world's population lives in the northern hemisphere, and not by a little, by a lot. http://www.radicalcartography.net/index.html?histpop http://www.radicalcartography.net/index.html?histpop
- ClassyJacket 7y agoWho cares unless literally all of them do.
- bigdubs 7y agoJust adding context in case people thought the populations were roughly equivalent. It has bearing in the validity of choosing something the majority of people would understand.
- paulddraper 7y agoFor the same reason that software documentation is almost always in English.
- karmakaze 7y agoIt's not actually called Spring '19 mentioned later in the article: 19.1, 19.2, 19.2.1 (patch).