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You frame nimbyism and protectionist housing policies as the will of the people, but I'd take a Chinese city with clean air over 3400 / month in a second. SF ho

You frame nimbyism and protectionist housing policies as the will of the people, but I'd take a Chinese city with clean air over 3400 / month in a second. SF housing is broken, I would not put it on a pedestal of being some grand embodyment of democracy.

reaperducer 8y ago
I'd take a Chinese city with clean air over 3400 / month in a second. So go ahead. No one is stopping you. SF housing is broken I don't disagree, and that's also the case in most large cities these days. I would not put it on a pedestal of being some grand embodyment of democracy. I don't think it's grand, but I think there's more value to it than current generations understand.
- ComputerGuru 8y ago
  > that's also the case in most large cities these days. Chicago, as always, begs to differ. But no one notices it, it always flies under the radar which probably contributes to it's success in this regard.
  - nitrogen 8y ago
    I've only visited Chicago once and really enjoyed it, but I suspect its reputation, whether vaild or not, for crime, cold, and corruption serves as a rate limiter on migration to the city.
  - mylons 7y ago
    Chicago, and more importantly IL at large, is broken. The state gov is one of the most corrupt in the country. 4 out of the last 6 or 7 governors have went to jail. Dennis Hastert comes out of the IL political machinery. State employees pension funds will likely bankrupt the state as the taxbase shrinks. The job prospects for most engineers are limited. I grew up there and wouldn't move back. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-illinois-population-loss-madigan-exodus-20181219-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-ed...
  - 121789 7y ago
    I moved to SF from Chicago and agree that the value for money is nuts there (I loved Chicago), but the extended winter, isolated nature, and the fact that it isn't really destination city for any industry puts pretty hard limits on how much people will pay.
  - notfromhere 7y ago
    Chicago has a nice balance between QoL and CoL; I don't see the huge appeal of moving to the bay when most of it is just overgrown suburb and living costs are out of control
- evancox100 7y ago
  That's absurd, there are plenty of large cities doing relatively ok keeping housing costs in line. Try visiting San Antonio, Dallas, or Houston, 3 of the 10 largest cities in the US that are quite affordable.
- ShorsHammer 7y ago
  > So go ahead. No one is stopping you. There's some sort of open border policy between the US and China? Seems like a lot of effort simply to live somewhere with reasonable housing policies.
seanmcdirmid 8y ago
The only Chinese city with clean air is Xiamen. It is a nice place, but you might have trouble getting the right job.
- imjustsaying 7y ago
  >The only Chinese city with clean air is Xiamen. I was about to disagree but I just looked it up and it seems to be doing a lot better than I remembered. http://pm25.in/xiamen http://pm25.in/xiamen
  - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
    Xiamen has geographical benefits, lots of wind blowing any pollution out into the ocean. Not to mention that they have a lot of nice colonial architecture as well.

reaperducer 8y ago

I'd take a Chinese city with clean air over 3400 / month in a second. So go ahead. No one is stopping you. SF housing is broken I don't disagree, and that's also the case in most large cities these days. I would not put it on a pedestal of being some grand embodyment of democracy. I don't think it's grand, but I think there's more value to it than current generations understand.

ComputerGuru 8y ago
> that's also the case in most large cities these days. Chicago, as always, begs to differ. But no one notices it, it always flies under the radar which probably contributes to it's success in this regard.
- nitrogen 8y ago
  I've only visited Chicago once and really enjoyed it, but I suspect its reputation, whether vaild or not, for crime, cold, and corruption serves as a rate limiter on migration to the city.
- mylons 7y ago
  Chicago, and more importantly IL at large, is broken. The state gov is one of the most corrupt in the country. 4 out of the last 6 or 7 governors have went to jail. Dennis Hastert comes out of the IL political machinery. State employees pension funds will likely bankrupt the state as the taxbase shrinks. The job prospects for most engineers are limited. I grew up there and wouldn't move back. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-illinois-population-loss-madigan-exodus-20181219-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-ed...
- 121789 7y ago
  I moved to SF from Chicago and agree that the value for money is nuts there (I loved Chicago), but the extended winter, isolated nature, and the fact that it isn't really destination city for any industry puts pretty hard limits on how much people will pay.
- notfromhere 7y ago
  Chicago has a nice balance between QoL and CoL; I don't see the huge appeal of moving to the bay when most of it is just overgrown suburb and living costs are out of control
evancox100 7y ago
That's absurd, there are plenty of large cities doing relatively ok keeping housing costs in line. Try visiting San Antonio, Dallas, or Houston, 3 of the 10 largest cities in the US that are quite affordable.
ShorsHammer 7y ago
> So go ahead. No one is stopping you. There's some sort of open border policy between the US and China? Seems like a lot of effort simply to live somewhere with reasonable housing policies.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago

The only Chinese city with clean air is Xiamen. It is a nice place, but you might have trouble getting the right job.

imjustsaying 7y ago
>The only Chinese city with clean air is Xiamen. I was about to disagree but I just looked it up and it seems to be doing a lot better than I remembered. http://pm25.in/xiamen http://pm25.in/xiamen
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Xiamen has geographical benefits, lots of wind blowing any pollution out into the ocean. Not to mention that they have a lot of nice colonial architecture as well.