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> Or you installed a hidden camera, in which case the data was clearly stolen I think this is more analogous to the present situation. Facebook has a public '

> Or you installed a hidden camera, in which case the data was clearly stolen I think this is more analogous to the present situation. Facebook has a public 'camera' - they record you every time you're on their site. It's up to them if they want to share what you did on their site - that data belongs to both of you. But their camera is also on every site that you visit that pulls in FB resources - I would consider this a hidden camera. When FB shares this data, they're sharing the composite recording of their one public and many, many hidden cameras.

Wowfunhappy 8y ago
Sure, and this is a legitimate problem. But it's not what was being discussed in this thread. We got here by talking about Facebook collecting contact info that someone else uploaded to them. This, to me, is not analogous to a hidden camera. If I give my contact info to a friend, and that friend uploads contact information to Facebook, nothing was stolen from me.
- stevenicr 8y ago
  This could be true and false in some circumstances I think. For example if I give a phone number to someone and specifically ask them not to share it, and in another situation where I allow a photo to be taken with the express terms that it is not shared online or with any other person... and then someone installs an app like messenger and that app sucks in all contact info and starts uploading photos in the background - sure you could say that they gave permission to share all that data, but I think a majority of people are not understanding what all those permissions mean. I believe there are a lot of people who have expectations in the way that apps would use data and they are being duped partially by group trust trust / ignorance. I have spoken to many people who do not understand the terms of use for instagram, and after discussions about such they start to question if they are going to allow their children to continue to use it. I think this is common with many apps and web sites - people have an expectation that video of them taken at target is going to used in certain ways that maintain privacy - not that target it going to be taking images and videos of their kids and selling it off to people behind their back. These are just a few examples where I think you could say technically it's true, but actually being are being defrauded or some other term, which is essentially stealing from people based on their ignorance.

Wowfunhappy 8y ago

Sure, and this is a legitimate problem. But it's not what was being discussed in this thread. We got here by talking about Facebook collecting contact info that someone else uploaded to them. This, to me, is not analogous to a hidden camera. If I give my contact info to a friend, and that friend uploads contact information to Facebook, nothing was stolen from me.

stevenicr 8y ago
This could be true and false in some circumstances I think. For example if I give a phone number to someone and specifically ask them not to share it, and in another situation where I allow a photo to be taken with the express terms that it is not shared online or with any other person... and then someone installs an app like messenger and that app sucks in all contact info and starts uploading photos in the background - sure you could say that they gave permission to share all that data, but I think a majority of people are not understanding what all those permissions mean. I believe there are a lot of people who have expectations in the way that apps would use data and they are being duped partially by group trust trust / ignorance. I have spoken to many people who do not understand the terms of use for instagram, and after discussions about such they start to question if they are going to allow their children to continue to use it. I think this is common with many apps and web sites - people have an expectation that video of them taken at target is going to used in certain ways that maintain privacy - not that target it going to be taking images and videos of their kids and selling it off to people behind their back. These are just a few examples where I think you could say technically it's true, but actually being are being defrauded or some other term, which is essentially stealing from people based on their ignorance.