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Their whole car is a computer that can receive OTA updates. ( please show me an instance where a major car company sent 5% performance increase over the interne

by leesec 8y ago

Their whole car is a computer that can receive OTA updates. ( please show me an instance where a major car company sent 5% performance increase over the internet ) Their battery tech is better than everyones. ( Why is the Audi E-tron and Jaguar I-pace Less range than even the cheapest Tesla? ) Their autonomous is better than everyones. ( Don't know why you think they're far behind, the only other player with a comparable product is Supercruise and that is on one version of Cadillac ). The data they have on their cars/collection pipeline is better than everyones. Because their car is software there are all sorts of quality of life perks that exist from the dashboard. So tired of hearing these cars aren't any better when they're some of the highest rated cars of all time and consistently compete with cars much more expensive.

clouddrover 8y ago
> Their battery tech is better than everyones. ( Why is the Audi E-tron and Jaguar I-pace Less range than even the cheapest Tesla? ) The Audi e-tron deliberately over-provisioned the battery to give it a longer life and to enable faster charging. Only 88% of the battery (about 83 kwh) is available for use, but the upside of that is the e-tron can maintain a 150 kilowatt charge rate up to 80% state of charge which no other current EV can do: https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/115015420127-175-kW-fast-chargers https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/115015420127-17... Not even the Tesla Model 3 on the new Tesla V3 chargers: https://electrek.co/2019/03/07/tesla-v3-supercharger-action-first-look/ https://electrek.co/2019/03/07/tesla-v3-supercharger-action-... The e-tron's main problem is that it's too heavy for the battery it has. It either needs a bigger battery or a lighter construction or both. But the Hyundai Kona EV, the Kia Niro EV, and the new Kia Soul EV all have good range for a good price. The Kona narrowly beat the Model X in this 1000 km road trip comparison: https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-race-tesla-model-x-video/ https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-race-tesla-model... Tesla doesn't seem very far ahead.
mrtksn 8y ago
>Their whole car is a computer that can receive OTA updates No, the car has a computer that controls the systems in the car like all the modern cars. Receiving software updates to a computer is not a huge tech challenge. And no, you don't receive performance over the internet, you receive a driving configuration that may better utilize the hardware. Can be easily done by any manufacturer. >Their autonomous is better than everyone Factually wrong, they are a category down from actual self-driving tech developers. But if you decide to skip the self-driving part and call it driving assistant or something, then yes it's a pretty good driving assistant that can follow lines etc. Some people think that calling the driving assistance software an autopilot is borderline false advertisement.
- leesec 8y ago
  >Factually wrong, they are a category down from actual self-driving tech developers. Well they're the only people offering anything this quality unless your one of the hundreds of people in Phoenix that can order a Waymo (that still has a person driving). >some people think that calling the driving assistance software an autopilot is borderline false advertisement. Well my 'driving assistance' drove me 95% of the way to work this morning hands free feet free, seems pretty appropriate to call it autonomous to me.
  - mrtksn 8y ago
    Tesla also happens to have a fanbase who would defend them with passion, making claims and arguing for hours that you can indeed download car performance from the internet, that driving assist is an autonomous driving even though Tesla says that it isn't and you should always stay alert and if you get slammed into a wall(like that poor Apple engineer) you should have known better. It's really not about tech but about the brand. Since Stave Job is no longer with us, Musk happens to own the tech visionary title. It can be annoying but I'm glad that Tesla exists an it's brand is pushing the big players into electric cars.
    - leesec 8y ago
      ->making claims and arguing for hours that you can indeed download car performance from the internet, I don't understand. People went to sleep, their car updated via internet, and they woke up with more performant cars. This really happened. Obviously the car didn't changed the hardware, it changed the software, and the car drove better.
      - mrtksn 8y ago
        Yes you are right, they uploaded performance from the internet. Any idea why they don't upload more from it? It's futule to argue with fanboys.
        torpfactory 8y ago
imtringued 8y ago
>( please show me an instance where a major car company sent 5% performance increase over the internet ) That doesn't sound like anything special. Engines have been computer controlled for a long time now. Depending on the temperature, fuel mixture, etc you can have a single engine with completely different characteristics. This is something VW took advantage of in Dieselgate by improving the performance of the car outside of emissions tests. If your car was affected the only thing that was changed by the recall was the software. Of course OTA updates are more convenient than driving to your dealer but software updates themselves are not a competitive advantage of Tesla.
- leesec 8y ago
  >That doesn't sound like anything special. Then lets see an example? As I asked the first time? >but software updates themselves are not a competitive advantage of Tesla. That is crazy to me. It's an advantage specific to Tesla. Clearly it's not game changing for a lot of people, but it is an advantage.
DarmokJalad1701 8y ago
Another thing, their motors are lighter, cheaper and produces more horse-power than their competitors (in this case, comparing the Chevy Bolt and BMW i3)

by leesec 8y ago

clouddrover 8y ago

> Their battery tech is better than everyones. ( Why is the Audi E-tron and Jaguar I-pace Less range than even the cheapest Tesla? ) The Audi e-tron deliberately over-provisioned the battery to give it a longer life and to enable faster charging. Only 88% of the battery (about 83 kwh) is available for use, but the upside of that is the e-tron can maintain a 150 kilowatt charge rate up to 80% state of charge which no other current EV can do: https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/115015420127-175-kW-fast-chargers https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/115015420127-17... Not even the Tesla Model 3 on the new Tesla V3 chargers: https://electrek.co/2019/03/07/tesla-v3-supercharger-action-first-look/ https://electrek.co/2019/03/07/tesla-v3-supercharger-action-... The e-tron's main problem is that it's too heavy for the battery it has. It either needs a bigger battery or a lighter construction or both. But the Hyundai Kona EV, the Kia Niro EV, and the new Kia Soul EV all have good range for a good price. The Kona narrowly beat the Model X in this 1000 km road trip comparison: https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-race-tesla-model-x-video/ https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-race-tesla-model... Tesla doesn't seem very far ahead.

mrtksn 8y ago

>Their whole car is a computer that can receive OTA updates No, the car has a computer that controls the systems in the car like all the modern cars. Receiving software updates to a computer is not a huge tech challenge. And no, you don't receive performance over the internet, you receive a driving configuration that may better utilize the hardware. Can be easily done by any manufacturer. >Their autonomous is better than everyone Factually wrong, they are a category down from actual self-driving tech developers. But if you decide to skip the self-driving part and call it driving assistant or something, then yes it's a pretty good driving assistant that can follow lines etc. Some people think that calling the driving assistance software an autopilot is borderline false advertisement.

leesec 8y ago
>Factually wrong, they are a category down from actual self-driving tech developers. Well they're the only people offering anything this quality unless your one of the hundreds of people in Phoenix that can order a Waymo (that still has a person driving). >some people think that calling the driving assistance software an autopilot is borderline false advertisement. Well my 'driving assistance' drove me 95% of the way to work this morning hands free feet free, seems pretty appropriate to call it autonomous to me.
- mrtksn 8y ago
  Tesla also happens to have a fanbase who would defend them with passion, making claims and arguing for hours that you can indeed download car performance from the internet, that driving assist is an autonomous driving even though Tesla says that it isn't and you should always stay alert and if you get slammed into a wall(like that poor Apple engineer) you should have known better. It's really not about tech but about the brand. Since Stave Job is no longer with us, Musk happens to own the tech visionary title. It can be annoying but I'm glad that Tesla exists an it's brand is pushing the big players into electric cars.
  - leesec 8y ago
    ->making claims and arguing for hours that you can indeed download car performance from the internet, I don't understand. People went to sleep, their car updated via internet, and they woke up with more performant cars. This really happened. Obviously the car didn't changed the hardware, it changed the software, and the car drove better.
    - mrtksn 8y ago
      Yes you are right, they uploaded performance from the internet. Any idea why they don't upload more from it? It's futule to argue with fanboys.
      - torpfactory 8y ago

imtringued 8y ago

>( please show me an instance where a major car company sent 5% performance increase over the internet ) That doesn't sound like anything special. Engines have been computer controlled for a long time now. Depending on the temperature, fuel mixture, etc you can have a single engine with completely different characteristics. This is something VW took advantage of in Dieselgate by improving the performance of the car outside of emissions tests. If your car was affected the only thing that was changed by the recall was the software. Of course OTA updates are more convenient than driving to your dealer but software updates themselves are not a competitive advantage of Tesla.

leesec 8y ago
>That doesn't sound like anything special. Then lets see an example? As I asked the first time? >but software updates themselves are not a competitive advantage of Tesla. That is crazy to me. It's an advantage specific to Tesla. Clearly it's not game changing for a lot of people, but it is an advantage.

DarmokJalad1701 8y ago

Another thing, their motors are lighter, cheaper and produces more horse-power than their competitors (in this case, comparing the Chevy Bolt and BMW i3)