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> How does having Assange accused of rape in Sweden help the US to extradite him? Simple, character assassination is a very effective tool to silence public ou

> How does having Assange accused of rape in Sweden help the US to extradite him? Simple, character assassination is a very effective tool to silence public outrage.

foldr 8y ago
That's classic conspiracy theory reasoning. "I can think of a reason the CIA might have done it; therefore, the CIA did it." There are far simpler ways of assassinating someone's character than manufacturing rape allegations in a foreign country.
- rndgermandude 8y ago
  Like? Genuinely curious.
  - komali2 8y ago
    Planting child pornography on a computer they own.
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    - bellerose 8y ago
      Code that would modify the browser history to do such a thing was posted on hackernews a couple years ago. I just thought you would find that interesting. I'm undecided on what to think when it comes to julian.
    - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
      Well if it's just creating disapproval you want then you only need to plant the story in the press. [Fake] "Wikileaks computer IPs associated with child porn ring: was Assange using Wikileaks as cover for child porn, CIA revealed they found evidence of several Wikileaks computers uploading to child porn sites" That would probably be enough.
- Nasrudith 8y ago
  It is a cynical and paranoid viewpoint admittedly but not all that irrational when it is in the playbook of spies willing to commit very dirty tricks. Their secrecy and known misconduct creates a void where speculation becomes disturbingly "reasonable". Note rational and right are two different things - Stalin's father was convinced near the end of his life that his son was evil and going to murder countless people - he was right in the end. Even if not true it is rational to consider in the same way asking "Why would a mob boss choose to have an enemy killed?" is kind of a dumb question - the question is why not at this point. Granted it is important to keep the speculations well ordered as there are crucial differences between levels like "proven to have done it", "proven to have done somthing like this before", and "are responsible for everything bad in the world". Venezuela is a good example for a baseline. The regieme has proven themselves complete incompetents that have had to replace sections of civilian industry with untrained military and the CIA has toppled many South American governments. Thus while it is technically possible the CIA sabotage created a power outage maladministration is a more likely culprit especially since blaming foreign powers for internal problems to hold power is a time "honored" tradition. For a counterfactual if the outage was followed by an invasion it would be hard to believe the CIA didn't cause if their plan was just "wait until it collapses for a peacekeeping causus beli".
- qelkejoiqejfo 8y ago
  >There are far simpler ways of assassinating someone's character than manufacturing rape allegations in a foreign country. Actually, I don't think there are. Rape is met with near universal disapproval, and unless the accused can prove where they are at every single moment of their life, it is difficult for them disprove the claims.
- abugheratwork 8y ago
  "Conspiracy theory" is not a synonym for "crazy". And his comment was the answer to your question.

> How does having Assange accused of rape in Sweden help the US to extradite him? Simple, character assassination is a very effective tool to silence public outrage.

foldr 8y ago

That's classic conspiracy theory reasoning. "I can think of a reason the CIA might have done it; therefore, the CIA did it." There are far simpler ways of assassinating someone's character than manufacturing rape allegations in a foreign country.

rndgermandude 8y ago
Like? Genuinely curious.
- komali2 8y ago
  Planting child pornography on a computer they own.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - bellerose 8y ago
    Code that would modify the browser history to do such a thing was posted on hackernews a couple years ago. I just thought you would find that interesting. I'm undecided on what to think when it comes to julian.
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    Well if it's just creating disapproval you want then you only need to plant the story in the press. [Fake] "Wikileaks computer IPs associated with child porn ring: was Assange using Wikileaks as cover for child porn, CIA revealed they found evidence of several Wikileaks computers uploading to child porn sites" That would probably be enough.
Nasrudith 8y ago
It is a cynical and paranoid viewpoint admittedly but not all that irrational when it is in the playbook of spies willing to commit very dirty tricks. Their secrecy and known misconduct creates a void where speculation becomes disturbingly "reasonable". Note rational and right are two different things - Stalin's father was convinced near the end of his life that his son was evil and going to murder countless people - he was right in the end. Even if not true it is rational to consider in the same way asking "Why would a mob boss choose to have an enemy killed?" is kind of a dumb question - the question is why not at this point. Granted it is important to keep the speculations well ordered as there are crucial differences between levels like "proven to have done it", "proven to have done somthing like this before", and "are responsible for everything bad in the world". Venezuela is a good example for a baseline. The regieme has proven themselves complete incompetents that have had to replace sections of civilian industry with untrained military and the CIA has toppled many South American governments. Thus while it is technically possible the CIA sabotage created a power outage maladministration is a more likely culprit especially since blaming foreign powers for internal problems to hold power is a time "honored" tradition. For a counterfactual if the outage was followed by an invasion it would be hard to believe the CIA didn't cause if their plan was just "wait until it collapses for a peacekeeping causus beli".
qelkejoiqejfo 8y ago
>There are far simpler ways of assassinating someone's character than manufacturing rape allegations in a foreign country. Actually, I don't think there are. Rape is met with near universal disapproval, and unless the accused can prove where they are at every single moment of their life, it is difficult for them disprove the claims.
abugheratwork 8y ago
"Conspiracy theory" is not a synonym for "crazy". And his comment was the answer to your question.