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> https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors Huh, I wonder how accurate this is. All

> https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/graphs/contributors Huh, I wonder how accurate this is. All the code is beyond me in any case, I'm in no position to judge the relative value of any of it.

telesilla 8y ago
This is deeply offensive. I'm the owner and founder of my company and I haven't written any meaningful code for our core products in 10 years. Our github repo has barely a scratch from me in it. Does this make my work, my hard long hours in managing my team and designing the product, worthless?
- nightski 8y ago
  Honestly I'd take satisfaction in what I had built. As a leader I'd greatly enjoy giving credit to the team who committed to my vision and made it a reality.
- vertis 8y ago
  It's offensive and frustrating. I don't understand why people have to try and pull holes in this kind of celebration like there is some conspiracy to promote Katie at the cost of others. If I read it right, she mentioned and praised her team as well.
govg 8y ago
I'm not sure what the idea behind posting this is? In a large scale project rarely does someone high up the command chain do any of the "grunt" work (i.e. programming). Also, by training she appears to be dealing more with theory than the actual implementation aspect of this all.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  ok, so just so everyone is clear, the point between parent and grandparent is Andrew Chael seems to have written a hell of a lot more code than Katie Bouman, for a lot longer * achael 566 commits 850,275 ++ 131,044 -- * klbouman 90 commits 2,410 ++ 1,265 -- However, at least at the level of reading the commit messages, Katie's are pretty math heavy: "fixed bug in the fake briggs weighting" "starting to fix chirp problems with polrep" "made it possible to do a min uv cut on closure phase when adding it a..." While Andrew's lean frequently toward code maintenance: "updated some docstrings in imager_utils" "moved imgsum to plotting.summary_plots" "modified README" That said, Andrew and others seem to have pretty good insight too.
  - ilarum 8y ago
    https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commit/886b07b8a00d142b23a70537511c79bef85e0042 https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commit/886b07b8a00d142... one commit with 524,306 additions. adding a model.
  - thecatspaw 8y ago
    she could have written 0 lines and be "the woman behind the picture". Writing code is easy, figuring out complex algorithms is something very different, and does not require coding knowledge
  - govg 8y ago
    True, but that need not be of high importance when assigning credit. Especially in projects that involve a lot of implementation, the high level algorithms and techniques are developed by someone who might be far removed from actually writing code, and that aspect is outsourced to someone much more competent at programming. A lot of PhD students / professors do not have the talent or have not developed the thought process to write complex code, simply because their focus has been on other things.
    - dagw 8y ago
      Exactly. One project I worked on a while back involved me taking a big pile of very clever and complicated Matlab code and rewriting it in python in a way that made it easy to use from other projects and able to read a couple of additional input file formats. If you just look at the commits on that project it would look like I was responsible for 90+% of the entire thing, while in truth I was basically just doing transcribing and cleaning and had basically nothing to do with any of the difficult parts.
  - threeseed 8y ago
    Since when was software development about who wrote the most code or did the most commits. Do people like Linus deserve less credit now that he isn't the leader on the commit scoreboard ?
    - 8y ago
ilarum 8y ago
Number of lines is not an indicator of contribution. The reason I posted this repo was so that folks curious about the programming behind this science could have their fill. I am just happy to see an academic project using good version control practices released under a proper license.

telesilla 8y ago

This is deeply offensive. I'm the owner and founder of my company and I haven't written any meaningful code for our core products in 10 years. Our github repo has barely a scratch from me in it. Does this make my work, my hard long hours in managing my team and designing the product, worthless?

nightski 8y ago
Honestly I'd take satisfaction in what I had built. As a leader I'd greatly enjoy giving credit to the team who committed to my vision and made it a reality.
vertis 8y ago
It's offensive and frustrating. I don't understand why people have to try and pull holes in this kind of celebration like there is some conspiracy to promote Katie at the cost of others. If I read it right, she mentioned and praised her team as well.

govg 8y ago

I'm not sure what the idea behind posting this is? In a large scale project rarely does someone high up the command chain do any of the "grunt" work (i.e. programming). Also, by training she appears to be dealing more with theory than the actual implementation aspect of this all.

killjoywashere 8y ago
ok, so just so everyone is clear, the point between parent and grandparent is Andrew Chael seems to have written a hell of a lot more code than Katie Bouman, for a lot longer * achael 566 commits 850,275 ++ 131,044 -- * klbouman 90 commits 2,410 ++ 1,265 -- However, at least at the level of reading the commit messages, Katie's are pretty math heavy: "fixed bug in the fake briggs weighting" "starting to fix chirp problems with polrep" "made it possible to do a min uv cut on closure phase when adding it a..." While Andrew's lean frequently toward code maintenance: "updated some docstrings in imager_utils" "moved imgsum to plotting.summary_plots" "modified README" That said, Andrew and others seem to have pretty good insight too.
- ilarum 8y ago
  https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commit/886b07b8a00d142b23a70537511c79bef85e0042 https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commit/886b07b8a00d142... one commit with 524,306 additions. adding a model.
- thecatspaw 8y ago
  she could have written 0 lines and be "the woman behind the picture". Writing code is easy, figuring out complex algorithms is something very different, and does not require coding knowledge
- govg 8y ago
  True, but that need not be of high importance when assigning credit. Especially in projects that involve a lot of implementation, the high level algorithms and techniques are developed by someone who might be far removed from actually writing code, and that aspect is outsourced to someone much more competent at programming. A lot of PhD students / professors do not have the talent or have not developed the thought process to write complex code, simply because their focus has been on other things.
  - dagw 8y ago
    Exactly. One project I worked on a while back involved me taking a big pile of very clever and complicated Matlab code and rewriting it in python in a way that made it easy to use from other projects and able to read a couple of additional input file formats. If you just look at the commits on that project it would look like I was responsible for 90+% of the entire thing, while in truth I was basically just doing transcribing and cleaning and had basically nothing to do with any of the difficult parts.
- threeseed 8y ago
  Since when was software development about who wrote the most code or did the most commits. Do people like Linus deserve less credit now that he isn't the leader on the commit scoreboard ?
  - 8y ago

ilarum 8y ago

Number of lines is not an indicator of contribution. The reason I posted this repo was so that folks curious about the programming behind this science could have their fill. I am just happy to see an academic project using good version control practices released under a proper license.