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> and I wished Amazon had .amazon (but made it available for others to use it too) If only there was a way as a society we could make sure common resources cou

> and I wished Amazon had .amazon (but made it available for others to use it too) If only there was a way as a society we could make sure common resources could be used by interested and relevant parties in an agreeable manner. Maybe some kind of group that is formed based on the input of many people and will represent their interests in this matter and others like it. If only. Also it's really silly for one private company to own an entire TLD just because that company choose to use a generic, commonly used word. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

tedunangst 8y ago
Amazon is a generic commonly used word? What are some generic examples of things commonly referred to as amazon?
- frosted-flakes 8y ago
  Er, the Amazon River? I hope you were being facetious.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    People generally refer to that as the Amazon River. Does anyone really say "I'm going to Amazon"?
    - kadendogthing 8y ago
      ...are you actually saying that because "amazon" is not used as a proper noun that disqualifies it as a common, generic word and only instances of trademark use are valid? Because that's what your example heavily implies, based on the grammar and syntax (given your capitalization of the word amazon) of your example. I hope you're not doing that. Because that'd be ridiculous.
      - ryanlol 8y ago
        Amazon in most contexts refers to the company and not the river or the rainforest. When speaking of the river people are far more likely to use "Amazonas" than "Amazon".
        kadendogthing 8y ago
        >Amazon in most contexts refers to the company and not the river or the rainforest. You obviously think that based on your example as completely ridiculous as it is, and arguably this is very false and only works in the context of the U.S. market, but it's actually completely irrelevant. Amazon, a U.S. based private company that won't be around forever (hopefully not), doesn't get to have wholesale ownership of the .TLD because it named itself after a word used to describe various geographic and cultural entities. That very obviously, rightfully, and justifiably belongs to groups and organizations who have a vested interest on all things "amazon." Not the private, ephemeral company that named itself after these geographic, cultural "things." Amazon owns the trademark. Trademarks only work in the context of markets governed by some set of economic laws and treaties. They do not own the word. This is an absurd conversation to be having, and yet-another-example of why brand TLD's were such a bad idea. ICANN is not in the business of trademarks and it shouldn't be. Brand TLD's are a kind of uber trademark because of how TLD's are structured. It's such a bad idea. Apple the company currently has .apple. A global fruit cultivated over millennia. But somehow Apple the tech company gets it. See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19625915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19625915
        ryanlol 8y ago
        I'm European and have only visited the US once in my life. I'm certainly not looking at this solely in the context of the US market. Most people in Europe will associate "amazon" with the company, as will most Indians and increasingly the rest of Asia too. People in South America usually don't refer to the rainforest or the river as "amazon". Where are the people who think of amazon as the rainforest or the river? >They do not own the word Of course they don't, but they've got a very legitimate claim to own the TLD. >Apple the company currently has .apple. A global fruit cultivated over millennia. But somehow Apple the tech company gets it. So what? Nobody else wanted that TLD, why shouldn't Apple get it? This is a really strange thing to complain about. Why does the Verisign get .net? A tool used globally to catch fish, birds and other animals for a millenia.
    - reaperducer 8y ago
      Does anyone really say "I'm going to Amazon"? People going to cashless stores in Seattle?
    - tomjakubowski 8y ago
      "the Amazon", yes. https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon
  - thetopher 8y ago
    Probably not facetious. Just pedantic. The Amazon River is a specific example, not a generic one. ge·ner·ic characteristic of or relating to a class or group of things; not specific.
  - tedunangst 8y ago
    So the example of a common generic usage is a proper noun?
- kadendogthing 8y ago
  Yes. Yes it is. https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_rainforest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_rainforest >"The Amazon" and "Amazonia" redirect here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon https://www.dictionary.com/browse/amazon https://www.dictionary.com/browse/amazon https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amazon https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amazon https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-jeff-bezos-chose-company-name-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-jeff-bezos-chose-comp... >Bezos thought the name of earth's largest river was perfect because he was building earth's largest bookstore
  - delfinom 8y ago
    And the river being named after the Amazons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons due to a female warriors that fought the spanish invaders.
    - 8note 8y ago
      but amazon the company was named after the river's properties, not the warriors properties.
      - deleted 8y ago
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- anigbrowl 8y ago
  Don't be obtuse.
stOneskull 8y ago
Yeah why do they need it for. Amazon.com is enough.. And maybe they can have amazon.amazon
- vntok 8y ago
  I find your comment rather weird. First, why would you get to decide whether Amazon.com is "enough", and what does enough even mean here? Second, Amazon would never host their portal on amazon.amazon, it would be ridiculous. They would want www.amazon, which seems fine, or most probably shop.amazon, books.amazon, free.amazon, etc. all of which are completely in their prerogative. Maybe Amazonians can get authority on .br.amazon, .forest.amazon, .region.amazon, or something but nothing on the top domain. It would be ridiculous for many reasons including security.
  - ivalm 8y ago
    Maybe have amazon be administered by a 3rd party (verisign or whomever) and doll our subdomains to countries/amazon. Giving it directly to amazon seems not ideal..

tedunangst 8y ago

Amazon is a generic commonly used word? What are some generic examples of things commonly referred to as amazon?

frosted-flakes 8y ago
Er, the Amazon River? I hope you were being facetious.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  People generally refer to that as the Amazon River. Does anyone really say "I'm going to Amazon"?
  - kadendogthing 8y ago
    ...are you actually saying that because "amazon" is not used as a proper noun that disqualifies it as a common, generic word and only instances of trademark use are valid? Because that's what your example heavily implies, based on the grammar and syntax (given your capitalization of the word amazon) of your example. I hope you're not doing that. Because that'd be ridiculous.
    - ryanlol 8y ago
      Amazon in most contexts refers to the company and not the river or the rainforest. When speaking of the river people are far more likely to use "Amazonas" than "Amazon".
      - kadendogthing 8y ago
        >Amazon in most contexts refers to the company and not the river or the rainforest. You obviously think that based on your example as completely ridiculous as it is, and arguably this is very false and only works in the context of the U.S. market, but it's actually completely irrelevant. Amazon, a U.S. based private company that won't be around forever (hopefully not), doesn't get to have wholesale ownership of the .TLD because it named itself after a word used to describe various geographic and cultural entities. That very obviously, rightfully, and justifiably belongs to groups and organizations who have a vested interest on all things "amazon." Not the private, ephemeral company that named itself after these geographic, cultural "things." Amazon owns the trademark. Trademarks only work in the context of markets governed by some set of economic laws and treaties. They do not own the word. This is an absurd conversation to be having, and yet-another-example of why brand TLD's were such a bad idea. ICANN is not in the business of trademarks and it shouldn't be. Brand TLD's are a kind of uber trademark because of how TLD's are structured. It's such a bad idea. Apple the company currently has .apple. A global fruit cultivated over millennia. But somehow Apple the tech company gets it. See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19625915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19625915
        ryanlol 8y ago
        I'm European and have only visited the US once in my life. I'm certainly not looking at this solely in the context of the US market. Most people in Europe will associate "amazon" with the company, as will most Indians and increasingly the rest of Asia too. People in South America usually don't refer to the rainforest or the river as "amazon". Where are the people who think of amazon as the rainforest or the river? >They do not own the word Of course they don't, but they've got a very legitimate claim to own the TLD. >Apple the company currently has .apple. A global fruit cultivated over millennia. But somehow Apple the tech company gets it. So what? Nobody else wanted that TLD, why shouldn't Apple get it? This is a really strange thing to complain about. Why does the Verisign get .net? A tool used globally to catch fish, birds and other animals for a millenia.
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    Does anyone really say "I'm going to Amazon"? People going to cashless stores in Seattle?
  - tomjakubowski 8y ago
    "the Amazon", yes. https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon
- thetopher 8y ago
  Probably not facetious. Just pedantic. The Amazon River is a specific example, not a generic one. ge·ner·ic characteristic of or relating to a class or group of things; not specific.
- tedunangst 8y ago
  So the example of a common generic usage is a proper noun?
kadendogthing 8y ago
Yes. Yes it is. https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon https://www.worldwildlife.org/places/amazon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_rainforest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_rainforest >"The Amazon" and "Amazonia" redirect here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon https://www.dictionary.com/browse/amazon https://www.dictionary.com/browse/amazon https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amazon https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amazon https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-jeff-bezos-chose-company-name-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-jeff-bezos-chose-comp... >Bezos thought the name of earth's largest river was perfect because he was building earth's largest bookstore
- delfinom 8y ago
  And the river being named after the Amazons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazons due to a female warriors that fought the spanish invaders.
  - 8note 8y ago
    but amazon the company was named after the river's properties, not the warriors properties.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
anigbrowl 8y ago
Don't be obtuse.

stOneskull 8y ago

Yeah why do they need it for. Amazon.com is enough.. And maybe they can have amazon.amazon

vntok 8y ago
I find your comment rather weird. First, why would you get to decide whether Amazon.com is "enough", and what does enough even mean here? Second, Amazon would never host their portal on amazon.amazon, it would be ridiculous. They would want www.amazon, which seems fine, or most probably shop.amazon, books.amazon, free.amazon, etc. all of which are completely in their prerogative. Maybe Amazonians can get authority on .br.amazon, .forest.amazon, .region.amazon, or something but nothing on the top domain. It would be ridiculous for many reasons including security.
- ivalm 8y ago
  Maybe have amazon be administered by a 3rd party (verisign or whomever) and doll our subdomains to countries/amazon. Giving it directly to amazon seems not ideal..