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They wouldn't use amazon.amazon obviously. Some options would include www.amazon, store.amazon, home.amazon, {product_category}.amazon, ec2.amazon, aws.amazon,

They wouldn't use amazon.amazon obviously. Some options would include www.amazon, store.amazon, home.amazon, {product_category}.amazon, ec2.amazon, aws.amazon, etc. See how we're using .google for some examples (which fortunately is a completely made-up word, hence no contentions).

microcolonel 8y ago
Pretty sure they could also put a website right at https://amazon/ https://amazon/
- slim 8y ago
  pretty sure it's against the DNS rules (too lazy to check the RFC)
  - gloflo 8y ago
    There are other, e.g. http://ai http://ai
    - Symbiote 8y ago
      http://ai./ http://ai./ is the canonical way to refer to this, and avoid the link directing to ai.example.com if such a host exists in the local network.
    - ryanlol 8y ago
      .ai is allowed to do this because .ai is a ccTLD administered by the government of Anguilla. .amazon is a gTLD covered by different rules, they are technically able to do this but it is explicitly forbidden (contractually).
    - CydeWeys 8y ago
      Wow, they're bragging about cryptography on that site but they're not even serving it securely.
    - stardek 8y ago
      Can anyone explain what happens when I click this? I'm on the University of Waterloo network and I get sent to [1], rather than what I get when I add the period for: http://ai./ http://ai./ [1] https://uwaterloo.ca/artificial-intelligence-group/ https://uwaterloo.ca/artificial-intelligence-group/
      - the_pwner224 8y ago
        Here's my /etc/resolv.conf (I'm running Linux, though the theory is cross-platform): # Generated by NetworkManager search my-university.edu nameserver their-dns-server-ip nameserver their-other-dns-server-ip nameserver their-third-dns-server-ip DNS queries get sent to the nameserver, but the search domain is what's important here. The search domain is used to resolve non-fully-qualified domain names. So if I just type in http://cs http://cs, that's not a FQDN since there are no .s - with cs.my-university.edu, it goes edu->my-university->cs, but just cs is not fully qualified. So since the search domain is 'my-unversity.edu', if I just type in http://cs http://cs into the browser, it will look up cs.my-university.edu. In your case, going to the URL ai.uwaterloo.ca redirects to the URL you linked. Adding the trailing . to ai makes it fully qualified, so going to "http://ai." http://ai." makes your DNS lookup just 'ai' instead of 'ai.uwaterloo.ca'. The search domain stuff is mostly useful for addressing other devices on the network. My home router sets the search domain to 'lan' when configuring DHCP devices, so I can use my-server as a hostname and it will resolve to my home server's IP. E.g. "ssh my-server" will turn into "ssh my-server.lan" which gets resolved by the router's DNS server to the correct IP.
      - JdeBP 8y ago
        I expect that several people can. * http://jdebp.uk./FGA/web-fully-qualified-domain-name.html http://jdebp.uk./FGA/web-fully-qualified-domain-name.html % dnsqr a ai.uwaterloo.ca. 1 ai.uwaterloo.ca: 74 bytes, 1+2+0+0 records, response, noerror query: 1 ai.uwaterloo.ca answer: ai.uwaterloo.ca 286 CNAME wms-redir1.uwaterloo.ca answer: wms-redir1.uwaterloo.ca 286 A 129.97.128.216 % % fetch -v -o /dev/null http://ai.uwaterloo.ca./ 2>&1|head -n 6 looking up ai.uwaterloo.ca. connecting to ai.uwaterloo.ca.:80 requesting http://ai.uwaterloo.ca./ 301 redirect to https://uwaterloo.ca/artificial-intelligence-group/ looking up uwaterloo.ca connecting to uwaterloo.ca:443 %
  - deleted 8y ago
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- adtac 8y ago
  Would be a nightmare to type in the browser's URL bar. I guess there'd be a marked decrease in search traffic for the term "amazon".
- ryanlol 8y ago
  This is against the new gTLD rules¹, not DNS rules. ccTLD operators are allowed to do this, gTLD operators are not. If you want to know more, these are usually called apex records or dotless domains. ¹https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en
- xena 8y ago
  You can, but iOS won't load it.
  - JosephRedfern 8y ago
    Why not? AFAIK it will load http://localhost/ http://localhost/, is this the exception?
    - joshstrange 8y ago
      Yes, localhost IS the exception. There is a lot of code that treats "localhost" specially. IIRC Chrome will let you do things on localhost:XXXX that are normally only possible for sites over HTTPS (Think geolocating and some other privacy-related things).
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - nmjohn 8y ago
    iOS does load it, for example http://ai/ http://ai/ opens just fine in iOS
    - tinus_hn 8y ago
      This only opens if http://ai./ http://ai./ has been loaded before. Otherwise you get ‘host not found’.
      - Dylan16807 8y ago
        I...what? That's really impressive, that between the choices of "yes it works" and "no it doesn't work" they managed to make a third options that's far worse.
- axaxs 8y ago
  It's doable, but iirc against the terms of the new tld program.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  That'll have a wide variety of problems, and ICANN may not allow it anyway.
fxbl0i 8y ago
"Amazon" is the English spelling of the original name, so it could be argued it's a made-up word too.
- btmiller 8y ago
  All words are made up
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  English is the de facto language of international relations, more so than any other language anyway. And English is also the working language of ICANN, IETF, and any other technical body dealing with the Internet I can think of. Point is, the fact that slightly different words are used in Spanish and Portuguese really doesn't matter. They might also want those words as well, but they have claim over the English version too. For example, even though the word for Japan in Japanese isn't "Japan", ICANN would never delegate that TLD to anyone else besides the Japanese government (and indeed even that TLD would be unlikely to be created because it's redundant with the .jp ccTLD).
kyle-rb 8y ago
I think the product category thing is most likely. They already do a form of {product_category}.amazon, except in reverse: amazon.{product_category}. See: http://amazon.party/ http://amazon.party/ (party supplies) http://amazon.dog/ http://amazon.dog/ (pet food, toys, etc.) http://amazon.bible/ http://amazon.bible/ (bibles) http://amazon.fail/ http://amazon.fail/ (support contact page) and my favorite: http://amazon.horse/ http://amazon.horse/ (directly to the product page for a horse mask)

microcolonel 8y ago

Pretty sure they could also put a website right at https://amazon/ https://amazon/

slim 8y ago
pretty sure it's against the DNS rules (too lazy to check the RFC)
- gloflo 8y ago
  There are other, e.g. http://ai http://ai
  - Symbiote 8y ago
    http://ai./ http://ai./ is the canonical way to refer to this, and avoid the link directing to ai.example.com if such a host exists in the local network.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    .ai is allowed to do this because .ai is a ccTLD administered by the government of Anguilla. .amazon is a gTLD covered by different rules, they are technically able to do this but it is explicitly forbidden (contractually).
  - CydeWeys 8y ago
    Wow, they're bragging about cryptography on that site but they're not even serving it securely.
  - stardek 8y ago
    Can anyone explain what happens when I click this? I'm on the University of Waterloo network and I get sent to [1], rather than what I get when I add the period for: http://ai./ http://ai./ [1] https://uwaterloo.ca/artificial-intelligence-group/ https://uwaterloo.ca/artificial-intelligence-group/
    - the_pwner224 8y ago
      Here's my /etc/resolv.conf (I'm running Linux, though the theory is cross-platform): # Generated by NetworkManager search my-university.edu nameserver their-dns-server-ip nameserver their-other-dns-server-ip nameserver their-third-dns-server-ip DNS queries get sent to the nameserver, but the search domain is what's important here. The search domain is used to resolve non-fully-qualified domain names. So if I just type in http://cs http://cs, that's not a FQDN since there are no .s - with cs.my-university.edu, it goes edu->my-university->cs, but just cs is not fully qualified. So since the search domain is 'my-unversity.edu', if I just type in http://cs http://cs into the browser, it will look up cs.my-university.edu. In your case, going to the URL ai.uwaterloo.ca redirects to the URL you linked. Adding the trailing . to ai makes it fully qualified, so going to "http://ai." http://ai." makes your DNS lookup just 'ai' instead of 'ai.uwaterloo.ca'. The search domain stuff is mostly useful for addressing other devices on the network. My home router sets the search domain to 'lan' when configuring DHCP devices, so I can use my-server as a hostname and it will resolve to my home server's IP. E.g. "ssh my-server" will turn into "ssh my-server.lan" which gets resolved by the router's DNS server to the correct IP.
    - JdeBP 8y ago
      I expect that several people can. * http://jdebp.uk./FGA/web-fully-qualified-domain-name.html http://jdebp.uk./FGA/web-fully-qualified-domain-name.html % dnsqr a ai.uwaterloo.ca. 1 ai.uwaterloo.ca: 74 bytes, 1+2+0+0 records, response, noerror query: 1 ai.uwaterloo.ca answer: ai.uwaterloo.ca 286 CNAME wms-redir1.uwaterloo.ca answer: wms-redir1.uwaterloo.ca 286 A 129.97.128.216 % % fetch -v -o /dev/null http://ai.uwaterloo.ca./ 2>&1|head -n 6 looking up ai.uwaterloo.ca. connecting to ai.uwaterloo.ca.:80 requesting http://ai.uwaterloo.ca./ 301 redirect to https://uwaterloo.ca/artificial-intelligence-group/ looking up uwaterloo.ca connecting to uwaterloo.ca:443 %
- deleted 8y ago
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adtac 8y ago
Would be a nightmare to type in the browser's URL bar. I guess there'd be a marked decrease in search traffic for the term "amazon".
ryanlol 8y ago
This is against the new gTLD rules¹, not DNS rules. ccTLD operators are allowed to do this, gTLD operators are not. If you want to know more, these are usually called apex records or dotless domains. ¹https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-08-30-en
xena 8y ago
You can, but iOS won't load it.
- JosephRedfern 8y ago
  Why not? AFAIK it will load http://localhost/ http://localhost/, is this the exception?
  - joshstrange 8y ago
    Yes, localhost IS the exception. There is a lot of code that treats "localhost" specially. IIRC Chrome will let you do things on localhost:XXXX that are normally only possible for sites over HTTPS (Think geolocating and some other privacy-related things).
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- nmjohn 8y ago
  iOS does load it, for example http://ai/ http://ai/ opens just fine in iOS
  - tinus_hn 8y ago
    This only opens if http://ai./ http://ai./ has been loaded before. Otherwise you get ‘host not found’.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      I...what? That's really impressive, that between the choices of "yes it works" and "no it doesn't work" they managed to make a third options that's far worse.
axaxs 8y ago
It's doable, but iirc against the terms of the new tld program.
CydeWeys 8y ago
That'll have a wide variety of problems, and ICANN may not allow it anyway.

fxbl0i 8y ago

"Amazon" is the English spelling of the original name, so it could be argued it's a made-up word too.

btmiller 8y ago
All words are made up
CydeWeys 8y ago
English is the de facto language of international relations, more so than any other language anyway. And English is also the working language of ICANN, IETF, and any other technical body dealing with the Internet I can think of. Point is, the fact that slightly different words are used in Spanish and Portuguese really doesn't matter. They might also want those words as well, but they have claim over the English version too. For example, even though the word for Japan in Japanese isn't "Japan", ICANN would never delegate that TLD to anyone else besides the Japanese government (and indeed even that TLD would be unlikely to be created because it's redundant with the .jp ccTLD).

kyle-rb 8y ago

I think the product category thing is most likely. They already do a form of {product_category}.amazon, except in reverse: amazon.{product_category}. See: http://amazon.party/ http://amazon.party/ (party supplies) http://amazon.dog/ http://amazon.dog/ (pet food, toys, etc.) http://amazon.bible/ http://amazon.bible/ (bibles) http://amazon.fail/ http://amazon.fail/ (support contact page) and my favorite: http://amazon.horse/ http://amazon.horse/ (directly to the product page for a horse mask)