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Keep in mind that she is a queen of self promotion. When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone els

by antt 8y ago

Keep in mind that she is a queen of self promotion. When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work [0]. Or that most of her days involved meetings, lunches and dinners. I am reminded of the story of Henry IV who stood barefoot in the snow for three days. And through the grace of God not getting frost bite. We have come so far when we no longer believe you need God for acts like this. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/marissa-mayer-who-just-banned-working-from-home-paid-to-have-a-nursery-built-at-her-office-2013-2?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com.au/marissa-mayer-who-just-ba...

ceph_ 8y ago
> When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work HER domestic work? There is absolutely no reason why she should or would mention this other than your sexist expectations. Do you expect male CEOs to mention they pay someone to do their laundry and are abdicating their "domestic responsibilities"? Seriously?!
- antt 8y ago
  I liked the part were you called me sexist for making the complaint the mothers in Yahoo made against her when she cut their rights to work remotely. You of course would know this if you read the link I provided, instead of the first line of my post.
  - ceph_ 8y ago
    You can't justify sexism with "hey look she did something bad for mothers". The merits of the article have nothing to do with what's wrong with your comment.
    - antt 8y ago
      You can't justify 140 hour work weeks with accusations of sexism. At some point you need to face the fact that you are a useful idiot to the lizard class by only seeing sexism, even when women are being worked to death by other women.
  - praneshp 8y ago
    > she cut their rights to work remotely Do you have a citation that mothers at Yahoo complained? Or that mothers at Yahoo were non-trivially worse off than other companies in their situation at that time? disclaimer: ex yahoo
    - Jach 8y ago
      Yes, the link 'antt posted goes into it by the third sentence. "This upset many employees – mothers in particular." As for other companies, well, my employer existed at that time, had and still has a work-from-home culture that's more friendly towards mothers, and is routinely highly rated in most innovative company beauty pageants. The link from the link also details basically every other company in 2013 having a non-trivially better situation with flexible WFH policies.
- Aeolun 8y ago
  I think you misread an emphasis where there was none. Coming home from a 140 hour work week it’s nice if you don’t have to also do cleaning, cooking and other maintenance at home. And to be fair, if you work that much you should probably have the money to pay someone to take care of that for you.
  - Udik 8y ago
    > Coming home from a 140 hour work week There is no "coming home" if you work 140hrs per week (or 130, as MM claimed to have done in Google for years). I doubt it is sustainable by anybody (4hrs of sleep per night are simply not enough for anybody- assuming you can go from "work" to "sleep" and vice-versa in 0 time, excluding showering, dressing, teeth-brushing, eating and going to the loo-, you become unable to perform any intellectual job on that schedule). I suspect these figures come only from an extremely loose definition of "work" and are further inflated like the proverbial fish of fishermen's tales. Probably the only hard limit to these claims is the fact that there are 168 hours in a week, otherwise it would be a contest between this CEO claiming he worked 190 and the other replying she worked 300.
- mintplant 8y ago
  > Do you expect male CEOs to mention they pay someone to do their laundry and are abdicating their "domestic responsibilities"? Um, yes, if they're bragging about how much time they spend working? It indicates that their ability to put in that much time comes from a position of privilege (i.e., having the money to pay other people to perform tasks most people would have to take care of themselves), and hence isn't a reasonable expectation to project onto people not in that same position.
  - shaki-dora 8y ago
    I would be far more willing to believe this if it happened in a discussion of Elon Musk or Jack Dorsey. But I do not remember this point ever being made in discussions of those workaholics. Until a woman came along. Also: the same user calls Mayer (and Holmes) „attention whores“ downthread. I rest my case.
    - antt 8y ago
      If you're going to stalk me do it right. I called Holmes, Musk, Jobs and Gates attention whores. That's three men and one woman. One of them is dead and I'm still shitting on them, and it's not a woman. You also missed the post (just above the one you selectively read) where I call male CEOs coked up failures who come off badly when compared to chimps. You must really want to see sexism everywhere you look to have reading comprehension that low when the tune I'm singing isn't one already in your gramophone mind. I have a lot more choice things to say about people like you but I don't want to give poor Doug even more work.
      - mintplant 8y ago
        That was completely uncalled for. I think you ought to review the guidelines for participation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
- peteretep 8y ago
  My reaction to the post you’re replying to was different to yours, and you’ve helped me notice a subtle bias I had there. Thank you!
treis 8y ago
>When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work [0] This is such an odd post. Who expects someone working 140 hour weeks to do all of their own house work? Sure, they're working 20 hours a day but they ordered chinese takeout and drop off their laundry! Then, you link to child care as an example of "her domestic work"? Who complains about someone leaving their kid in daycare?
- antt 8y ago
  This is such an odd post. Who expects someone to work 140 hours a week? >Who complains about someone leaving their kid in daycare? The mothers in Yahoo who can't work from home any more and can't afford the $300 a day daycare in SF.
edanm 8y ago
I think this is a bad comment. Someone asked a technical question, and you managed to turn the topic into accusations against Marissa Mayer (and ones that at least invoke sexism). There's a time and a place for criticism, but it's not every time someone asks a question about her.
Erlich_Bachman 8y ago
Are there a lot of successful people who don't outsource their domestic work? It is a norm to be expected, not something you "have to disclose".
- antt 8y ago
  >It is a norm to be expected, not something you "have to disclose". Because it might be something worth mentioning before you start telling people to plan their bathroom breaks. >Could you work 130 hours in a week?” The answer is yes, if you’re strategic about when you sleep, when you shower, and how often you go to the bathroom. [0] Adding "Oh and by the by I have a nanny, gardener, chef and maid too." makes the advice seem a lot less relevant. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-marissa-mayer-interview-issue/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-marissa-mayer-interv...
scarejunba 8y ago
Got to be honest, if someone told me they worked 80 hour workweeks, I'd assume they paid someone to do their housework. That's just comparative advantage at play. In fact, I wouldn't expect them to even bring up their housework. I honestly don't think that's dishonest.

by antt 8y ago

ceph_ 8y ago

> When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work HER domestic work? There is absolutely no reason why she should or would mention this other than your sexist expectations. Do you expect male CEOs to mention they pay someone to do their laundry and are abdicating their "domestic responsibilities"? Seriously?!

antt 8y ago
I liked the part were you called me sexist for making the complaint the mothers in Yahoo made against her when she cut their rights to work remotely. You of course would know this if you read the link I provided, instead of the first line of my post.
- ceph_ 8y ago
  You can't justify sexism with "hey look she did something bad for mothers". The merits of the article have nothing to do with what's wrong with your comment.
  - antt 8y ago
    You can't justify 140 hour work weeks with accusations of sexism. At some point you need to face the fact that you are a useful idiot to the lizard class by only seeing sexism, even when women are being worked to death by other women.
- praneshp 8y ago
  > she cut their rights to work remotely Do you have a citation that mothers at Yahoo complained? Or that mothers at Yahoo were non-trivially worse off than other companies in their situation at that time? disclaimer: ex yahoo
  - Jach 8y ago
    Yes, the link 'antt posted goes into it by the third sentence. "This upset many employees – mothers in particular." As for other companies, well, my employer existed at that time, had and still has a work-from-home culture that's more friendly towards mothers, and is routinely highly rated in most innovative company beauty pageants. The link from the link also details basically every other company in 2013 having a non-trivially better situation with flexible WFH policies.
Aeolun 8y ago
I think you misread an emphasis where there was none. Coming home from a 140 hour work week it’s nice if you don’t have to also do cleaning, cooking and other maintenance at home. And to be fair, if you work that much you should probably have the money to pay someone to take care of that for you.
- Udik 8y ago
  > Coming home from a 140 hour work week There is no "coming home" if you work 140hrs per week (or 130, as MM claimed to have done in Google for years). I doubt it is sustainable by anybody (4hrs of sleep per night are simply not enough for anybody- assuming you can go from "work" to "sleep" and vice-versa in 0 time, excluding showering, dressing, teeth-brushing, eating and going to the loo-, you become unable to perform any intellectual job on that schedule). I suspect these figures come only from an extremely loose definition of "work" and are further inflated like the proverbial fish of fishermen's tales. Probably the only hard limit to these claims is the fact that there are 168 hours in a week, otherwise it would be a contest between this CEO claiming he worked 190 and the other replying she worked 300.
mintplant 8y ago
> Do you expect male CEOs to mention they pay someone to do their laundry and are abdicating their "domestic responsibilities"? Um, yes, if they're bragging about how much time they spend working? It indicates that their ability to put in that much time comes from a position of privilege (i.e., having the money to pay other people to perform tasks most people would have to take care of themselves), and hence isn't a reasonable expectation to project onto people not in that same position.
- shaki-dora 8y ago
  I would be far more willing to believe this if it happened in a discussion of Elon Musk or Jack Dorsey. But I do not remember this point ever being made in discussions of those workaholics. Until a woman came along. Also: the same user calls Mayer (and Holmes) „attention whores“ downthread. I rest my case.
  - antt 8y ago
    If you're going to stalk me do it right. I called Holmes, Musk, Jobs and Gates attention whores. That's three men and one woman. One of them is dead and I'm still shitting on them, and it's not a woman. You also missed the post (just above the one you selectively read) where I call male CEOs coked up failures who come off badly when compared to chimps. You must really want to see sexism everywhere you look to have reading comprehension that low when the tune I'm singing isn't one already in your gramophone mind. I have a lot more choice things to say about people like you but I don't want to give poor Doug even more work.
    - mintplant 8y ago
      That was completely uncalled for. I think you ought to review the guidelines for participation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
peteretep 8y ago
My reaction to the post you’re replying to was different to yours, and you’ve helped me notice a subtle bias I had there. Thank you!

treis 8y ago

>When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work [0] This is such an odd post. Who expects someone working 140 hour weeks to do all of their own house work? Sure, they're working 20 hours a day but they ordered chinese takeout and drop off their laundry! Then, you link to child care as an example of "her domestic work"? Who complains about someone leaving their kid in daycare?

antt 8y ago
This is such an odd post. Who expects someone to work 140 hours a week? >Who complains about someone leaving their kid in daycare? The mothers in Yahoo who can't work from home any more and can't afford the $300 a day daycare in SF.

edanm 8y ago

I think this is a bad comment. Someone asked a technical question, and you managed to turn the topic into accusations against Marissa Mayer (and ones that at least invoke sexism). There's a time and a place for criticism, but it's not every time someone asks a question about her.

Erlich_Bachman 8y ago

Are there a lot of successful people who don't outsource their domestic work? It is a norm to be expected, not something you "have to disclose".

antt 8y ago
>It is a norm to be expected, not something you "have to disclose". Because it might be something worth mentioning before you start telling people to plan their bathroom breaks. >Could you work 130 hours in a week?” The answer is yes, if you’re strategic about when you sleep, when you shower, and how often you go to the bathroom. [0] Adding "Oh and by the by I have a nanny, gardener, chef and maid too." makes the advice seem a lot less relevant. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-marissa-mayer-interview-issue/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-marissa-mayer-interv...

scarejunba 8y ago

Got to be honest, if someone told me they worked 80 hour workweeks, I'd assume they paid someone to do their housework. That's just comparative advantage at play. In fact, I wouldn't expect them to even bring up their housework. I honestly don't think that's dishonest.