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"I realized that, while I had a very deep understanding of artificial intelligence, I did not yet have some of the basics down. I knew how a database worked. I

by rajeshp1986 8y ago

"I realized that, while I had a very deep understanding of artificial intelligence, I did not yet have some of the basics down. I knew how a database worked. I knew how an operating system worked. I knew how a compiler worked. But I hadn't taken classes on those topics, so I went back for my master's and took the rest of the AI offerings as well as a lot of programming basics. That way, I could actually go and market myself as a software engineer and say, “I've written a compiler. I've written an operating system. I've written a database. I know how they work" I am confused. Is she talking about foundation CS courses like OS & database systems OR AI courses?

thundergolfer 8y ago
She's talking about foundation CS courses. She talk 7 (!) AI courses in Undergrad but apparently missed out on core CS courses. In Masters she got to cover those off. I think her majoring in Symbolic Systems not CS meant she missed out on compilers, DBs, etc..
- k__ 8y ago
  Because she didn't study CS. A university here has a cognitive science degree. Many people doing it and then a masters in CS to get at least a bit more practical with all the AI stuff they learned.
- hnuser355 8y ago
  I did a CS undergrad and skipped compilers, O.S., DBs, and many others cause I just took as many crosslisted math/CS electives as possible (at least a theorems or math heavy course like automata if I couldn’t do better), then the minimum CS requirements to graduate
jrochkind1 8y ago
You quoted her saying both, no? "I went back for my master's and took the rest of the AI offerings as well as a lot of programming basics."
digitaltrees 8y ago
The rest of the sentence says “...and a lot of the basics”, so she did both, took all 13 AI classes and CS classes on databases and compilers etc. Hope that helps.
thomasjudge 8y ago
Also keep in mind this is AI circa 1996. Some changes since then
rrdharan 8y ago
She majored in Symbolic Systems as an undergrad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_Systems As I understand it, foundational CS classes are not a requirement for that degree. Although I do know people who majored in Symbolic Systems and completed such courses in undergrad, I assume they were electives rather than requirements.
antt 8y ago
Keep in mind that she is a queen of self promotion. When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work [0]. Or that most of her days involved meetings, lunches and dinners. I am reminded of the story of Henry IV who stood barefoot in the snow for three days. And through the grace of God not getting frost bite. We have come so far when we no longer believe you need God for acts like this. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/marissa-mayer-who-just-banned-working-from-home-paid-to-have-a-nursery-built-at-her-office-2013-2?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com.au/marissa-mayer-who-just-ba...
- ceph_ 8y ago
  > When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work HER domestic work? There is absolutely no reason why she should or would mention this other than your sexist expectations. Do you expect male CEOs to mention they pay someone to do their laundry and are abdicating their "domestic responsibilities"? Seriously?!
  - antt 8y ago
    I liked the part were you called me sexist for making the complaint the mothers in Yahoo made against her when she cut their rights to work remotely. You of course would know this if you read the link I provided, instead of the first line of my post.
    - ceph_ 8y ago
      You can't justify sexism with "hey look she did something bad for mothers". The merits of the article have nothing to do with what's wrong with your comment.
      - antt 8y ago
        You can't justify 140 hour work weeks with accusations of sexism. At some point you need to face the fact that you are a useful idiot to the lizard class by only seeing sexism, even when women are being worked to death by other women.
commandlinefan 8y ago
> I've written a compiler. I've written an operating system. I've written a database. Yeah... I did both a Bachelor's and Master's degree in CS, and I've never written a complete working compiler, OS or database - I've written and tested "toy" versions of such, but that claim seems to be a bit hyperbolic. Maybe she did do all of those things, but none of those were coursework.

thundergolfer 8y ago

She's talking about foundation CS courses. She talk 7 (!) AI courses in Undergrad but apparently missed out on core CS courses. In Masters she got to cover those off. I think her majoring in Symbolic Systems not CS meant she missed out on compilers, DBs, etc..

k__ 8y ago
Because she didn't study CS. A university here has a cognitive science degree. Many people doing it and then a masters in CS to get at least a bit more practical with all the AI stuff they learned.
hnuser355 8y ago
I did a CS undergrad and skipped compilers, O.S., DBs, and many others cause I just took as many crosslisted math/CS electives as possible (at least a theorems or math heavy course like automata if I couldn’t do better), then the minimum CS requirements to graduate

jrochkind1 8y ago

You quoted her saying both, no? "I went back for my master's and took the rest of the AI offerings as well as a lot of programming basics."

digitaltrees 8y ago

The rest of the sentence says “...and a lot of the basics”, so she did both, took all 13 AI classes and CS classes on databases and compilers etc. Hope that helps.

thomasjudge 8y ago

Also keep in mind this is AI circa 1996. Some changes since then

rrdharan 8y ago

She majored in Symbolic Systems as an undergrad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_Systems As I understand it, foundational CS classes are not a requirement for that degree. Although I do know people who majored in Symbolic Systems and completed such courses in undergrad, I assume they were electives rather than requirements.

antt 8y ago

Keep in mind that she is a queen of self promotion. When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work [0]. Or that most of her days involved meetings, lunches and dinners. I am reminded of the story of Henry IV who stood barefoot in the snow for three days. And through the grace of God not getting frost bite. We have come so far when we no longer believe you need God for acts like this. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/marissa-mayer-who-just-banned-working-from-home-paid-to-have-a-nursery-built-at-her-office-2013-2?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com.au/marissa-mayer-who-just-ba...

ceph_ 8y ago
> When she was talking about 140 hour work weeks she conveniently left out the fact she was paying someone else to do her domestic work HER domestic work? There is absolutely no reason why she should or would mention this other than your sexist expectations. Do you expect male CEOs to mention they pay someone to do their laundry and are abdicating their "domestic responsibilities"? Seriously?!
- antt 8y ago
  I liked the part were you called me sexist for making the complaint the mothers in Yahoo made against her when she cut their rights to work remotely. You of course would know this if you read the link I provided, instead of the first line of my post.
  - ceph_ 8y ago
    You can't justify sexism with "hey look she did something bad for mothers". The merits of the article have nothing to do with what's wrong with your comment.
    - antt 8y ago
      You can't justify 140 hour work weeks with accusations of sexism. At some point you need to face the fact that you are a useful idiot to the lizard class by only seeing sexism, even when women are being worked to death by other women.

commandlinefan 8y ago

> I've written a compiler. I've written an operating system. I've written a database. Yeah... I did both a Bachelor's and Master's degree in CS, and I've never written a complete working compiler, OS or database - I've written and tested "toy" versions of such, but that claim seems to be a bit hyperbolic. Maybe she did do all of those things, but none of those were coursework.