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People who think this way are missing the forest for the trees. The trees: fire anyone above 30. The forest: Many development processes that required experien
by cheez 8y ago
People who think this way are missing the forest for the trees.
The trees: fire anyone above 30.
The forest: Many development processes that required experience are being outsourced to companies like Amazon, Google, via their cloud computing platforms.
It is now possible to read some docs, follow some tuts and have a service that scales. If the inside is ugly, no one cares. That's the forest.
The problem is that this is how management thinks all over the world because it is short-term profitable.
Find another industry, seriously.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago> Find another industry Nah, roll in, make some money, fuck off in two-three hours.
- steve76 8y agoThe inside leaks credit card information. Google and Amazon ban you for life. You never run a business again. I care very much about something like that.
- rightbyte 8y agoThat's a universal problem not just programming. Imagine if sleezy fast food restaurants raised the wages abit so they could keep employees longer before they go for a 'real' job. But no, instead you set the wage so that anyone with a choice leaves. I think the main reason for these places that are mainly hiring young programmers are that they are way less expensive if you count in unpaid overtime you can force them into. Older programmers that agree to that are desperate and not sought after anyway. Young programmers need experience so that they can become older programmers and agree to it.
- JustSomeNobody 8y agoThis works if you're selling a $20 IoT device and need a cloud access. This doesn't cover all development, though. There are still industries that need people with domain knowledge and experience. You may not make FAANG money, but you won't lose your job on your 30th birthday, either.
- organsnyder 8y agoThe tech is no longer the hardest part (if it ever was). Meeting a market fit or business need is hard, and benefits from experience.
- SkyPuncher 8y agoI think it was a myth that the tech was ever the hardest part. Perhaps, it was when you could roll in huge amounts of cash just by offering a digital version of something. It was so easy to market something that the tech looked impossible.
- cheez 8y agoExisting tech is not hard. Tech that hasn't yet been invented is hard. That's where the money is made.
- organsnyder 8y agoBig innovations are certainly occasionally profitable. But looking at most of the tech success stories of the past couple of decades, there seems to be a lot more money in incremental improvements and applying existing technology to new business domains.
- jimbokun 8y ago"If the inside is ugly, no one cares." Yeah, so now your inexperienced developer just deployed something that takes 10 or 100x more resources than it should, and now you have a massive AWS or GCP bill to pay. (Which brings up an interesting question, at what point does your cloud computing bill reach a point where it's worth it to pay the slight premium for a more senior engineer to come in and clean up the obvious inefficiencies?) "The problem is that this is how management thinks all over the world because it is short-term profitable." Not really, as so many early stage software companies are not interested in being profitable, short-term or otherwise. So cost management and profits are irrelevant, just resume padding for the next opportunity.
- cheez 8y agoI worked on a project that was a clusterfuck of SalesForce, AWS AND Azure. The company was making hand over fist. They didn't care about the quality so long as the payments were made and they weren't losing customers to competition due to tech choices.