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Hi, I'm a product manager on Cloud Run. Thanks for your enthusiasm and feedback. We are very excited to share this new product with you. The reason we remain si

by steren 8y ago

Hi, I'm a product manager on Cloud Run. Thanks for your enthusiasm and feedback. We are very excited to share this new product with you. The reason we remain silent at the moment is because Cloud Run will officially be announced at 9am PST tomorrow during Google Cloud Next 2019. We will publish a blog post and other material that should answer many of your questions. We look forward to hearing what you think about it and what you'll build with Cloud Run.

pfarnsworth 8y ago
Will Google guarantee a minimum number of years to support this platform? I would hate to dedicate time and resources to this (sounds pretty useful) and then have Google shut this down in the near future.
- tjpnz 8y ago
  No idea why people are downvoting you. This is a very important question to ask when it comes to Google services.
  - kjksf 8y ago
    If nothing else, what do you expect Google to say? "No, we'll definitely be dropping this"? The services that Google dropped were either big bets that ended up as massive failures in the marketplace (e.g. wave, google+) or services that were neither big nor strategic to google (e.g. google reader, google code). GCP is neither. If you're not convinced by the fact that Google has been pouring billions into Google Cloud for over 10 years now, organizes multi-day conferences promoting it, launches new features monthly, then no rational argument will convince you that they won't drop GCP because they also dropped google reader.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
      > GCP is neither. Sure. But this one little service inside GCP? Tiny.
    - j16sdiz 8y ago
      google+ for gsuite is still available .
  - theDoug 8y ago
    It is an important question, but Google services which are largely consumer-based and no cost are a very different world from Google Cloud. People get a lot of Internet Cool Guy points these days from falsely conflating the two. I'm not the to make commitments but our history has been solid, and our deprecation policy is embedded in our terms of service for every Cloud user. The only product I can remember us deprecating in GCP was Prediction API in favor of the much-preferred Cloud Machine Learning Engine, and with that came communication to every single affected admin and a _year_ before cut-off. https://cloud.google.com/terms/ https://cloud.google.com/terms/
    - rapsey 8y ago
      and the second risk is google banning your corporate account for some arbitrary reason and killing your entire company overnight. Unless one is twitter sized limiting ones exposure to googles arbitrary decisions is quite reasonable. I can get a person to talk to at microsoft for my tiny account easy and I know neither they nor Amazon will just shut me down overnight.
    - reitzensteinm 8y ago
      Uh, just last year Google increased the price of developers using the maps API by an order of magnitude with no grandfathering policy, which for many users was effectively shutting the API off completely. It's not just the consumer side; Google doesn't exactly have a spotless reputation for developers, and assuming the post must be somebody faking being concerned for "Internet Cool Guy points" is just tone deaf.
- johnwheeler 8y ago
  totally reasonable question given googles horrendous track record on product maintenance.
  - ehsankia 8y ago
    Google Cloud has had zero dead products in a decade existence. Just because Google phased out a couple browser extensions and a RSS feed reader doesn't mean they have a "horrendous track record" when it comes to real enterprise-tier services such as Cloud.
    - twapi 8y ago
      Google killed many popular products without any proper reason. Remember Google Reader??!
      - jasonvorhe 8y ago
        This is a thread about Google Cloud.
    - tomschlick 8y ago
      > Google Cloud has had zero dead products in a decade existence. Didn't they just 10x the price of Maps api calls recently?
    - realusername 8y ago
      It's not the dead products on my case I fear but the lockdown of a Gmail account, there's already 2 gmail accounts I can't access despite knowing the password. I would not use GCP just because of that, everything might work fine and then one day you're locked out of your account and can't do anything.
      - privateSFacct 8y ago
        Just had this with an account I setup for my parents. I have recovery email AND know when account was created - not good enough. My parents use a landline that can't get a text and apparently enough to deny them (Google won't Dona voice call). Would pay 50 to unlock. Only option is to setup a new account. Ugh. This same email used for Apple Id and they like their Apple stuff
- nl 8y ago
  It's a beta. It's reasonable for a company not to guarantee support timeframes during a beta program.
- mattsoldo 8y ago
  Hi. I manage App Engine (the original "serverless" product at Google). This is a very understandable concern, given the importance of having a platform on which you can rely. Contractually Google Cloud provides a 1 year notice before discontinuing (or making backwards incompatible changes) to products. This is for generally available (GA) products. Cloud Run is in beta, so technically it could be decided not to bring it to GA. This is why some conservative orgs tend to wait for products to be GA before releasing them. From a technical perspective, Cloud Run was designed to be highly portable and idiomatic. If the service were discontinued (or you just didn't like it), you should be able to take your container image, and run it anywhere else. Odds are you would be using some other Google Cloud Services, so you would likely want to run in an environment with low network latency to Google Cloud (Compute Engine and Kubernetes Engine being obvious candidates). From a historical perspective, I'd say that Google Cloud goes above and beyond in supporting older products. App Engine is about to hit its 11th anniversary. We are still running PHP 5.5 apps and backporting security patches to the runtime, despite the language losing community support 3 years ago. We are still turning down an old product called "Managed Virtual Machines", which has now been in a deprecated (but running) state for longer than it was GA! From an emotional perspective, I think that Google is eyed with a lot of suspicion for turning off products. Google Reader - enough said. But as someone on the thread pointed out, Google Cloud is a very different business from the rest of Google. Google (!cloud) is a consumer company at a scale where if a product matters when it hits a billion users. Google Cloud is an enterprise company. Scale still matters, but not in the same way it does in consumer. I can't wait for hacker news folks to try Cloud Run. Its an awesome product.
  - clhodapp 8y ago
    Cloud Run is in beta, so technically it could be decided not to bring it to GA. This is why some conservative orgs tend to wait for products to be GA before releasing them. Ah that's one reason not to use GCP betas. Another big one is the complete lack of any public uptime target. In my opinion, this makes the betas nearly as bad as alphas with respect to using them in production.
    - boulos 8y ago
influx 8y ago
Can you help this student out? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610658
- boulos 8y ago
  Offered to help out, thanks for flagging this.
- travisglines 8y ago
  Glad this was posted. I've used GCP in the past, including decisions on which cloud providers to use where we spent north of 1M USD/month. Honestly Google's efforts are best focused on support issues like this and customer service rather than features to compete with AWS at the moment. A lot about GCP's setup is simpler and their network/hardware is well known to be better per dollar spent. However, I've always found the ability to contact an AWS rep and work through a tough situation on billing/quotas to be much more convenient. That often shifts the decision in Amazon's favor.
  - boulos 8y ago
    Disclosure: I work on GCP. To be clear, this person seems to have reached Support (I'll know more if they reach out to me) but is probably mid-way through the "Are you sure you didn't do this?" or something particular to debit cards. Enterprises don't have the same experience, because you don't use a credit/debit card to pay for $1M/month in anything :). As an Enterprise, you also have dedicated folks in sales and professional services working with you, and so on. I don't disagree that Support and customer empathy are huge factors of what goes into picking a provider. We need to improve, likely more than other providers. We all hate knowing that if you happen to know someone at Google, you get better help. But, tl;dr: GCP Support != Google consumer "support" and individuals on credit/debit cards != Enterprises.
    - travisglines 8y ago
      Hey boulos, upvoted your response. Thanks for taking action on this. Agreed that GCP != Google consumer support. I didn't mean for my response to be perceived as negative for GCP, was only hoping to inspire those at GCP to continue to focus on the customer experience rather than features. AWS certainly needs the competition and I've also had great experiences using Google's cloud platform.
devwastaken 8y ago
Does Cloud Run have accurate NTP time across edge servers and througu Cloud Run? I know Google runs their own version which stretches time on leap years, but I'm wondering if there's any effort to make sure that these edge servers are properly synchronized. That way things such as sub-second video stream synchronization can be done across the globe.
hn_throwaway_99 8y ago
Thanks very much! Hope to find out more tomorrow, but just wondering if there is any equivalent to the "cold start" issue you have with Cloud Functions on Cloud Run. If not, could you point to any documentation that explains the lifecycle of how containers are loaded, scaled up and scaled down in response to requests?
bauerd 8y ago
Quick question out of curiosity, we have a Google Cloud org of three members at work. One member had access to Cloud Run some days ago, he stumbled upon it incidentally in the sidebar. All other members couldn't access Cloud Run. So, how come? Is early access account, not org-based?
- lindydonna 8y ago
  (I'm a product manager on the serverless team at Google Cloud) The early access was based on a user account being added to an access list. But, I'm not sure why your team member had access without explicitly asking for it.
  - bauerd 8y ago
    Hi thanks for the reply. The only thing he could think of was that he skipped through a couple of videos on Google's official YouTube developer channel that day. But likely coincidental. (On a sidenote, when my coworker had access, autoscaling was broken, like completely, hence in part my curiosity).
antonvs 8y ago
Please tell your salespeople to point out to potential customers that since Fargate billing is per vCPU-hour, costs on Cloud Run are "up to 36,000 times cheaper!"

by steren 8y ago

pfarnsworth 8y ago

Will Google guarantee a minimum number of years to support this platform? I would hate to dedicate time and resources to this (sounds pretty useful) and then have Google shut this down in the near future.

tjpnz 8y ago
No idea why people are downvoting you. This is a very important question to ask when it comes to Google services.
- kjksf 8y ago
  If nothing else, what do you expect Google to say? "No, we'll definitely be dropping this"? The services that Google dropped were either big bets that ended up as massive failures in the marketplace (e.g. wave, google+) or services that were neither big nor strategic to google (e.g. google reader, google code). GCP is neither. If you're not convinced by the fact that Google has been pouring billions into Google Cloud for over 10 years now, organizes multi-day conferences promoting it, launches new features monthly, then no rational argument will convince you that they won't drop GCP because they also dropped google reader.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
    > GCP is neither. Sure. But this one little service inside GCP? Tiny.
  - j16sdiz 8y ago
    google+ for gsuite is still available .
- theDoug 8y ago
  It is an important question, but Google services which are largely consumer-based and no cost are a very different world from Google Cloud. People get a lot of Internet Cool Guy points these days from falsely conflating the two. I'm not the to make commitments but our history has been solid, and our deprecation policy is embedded in our terms of service for every Cloud user. The only product I can remember us deprecating in GCP was Prediction API in favor of the much-preferred Cloud Machine Learning Engine, and with that came communication to every single affected admin and a _year_ before cut-off. https://cloud.google.com/terms/ https://cloud.google.com/terms/
  - rapsey 8y ago
    and the second risk is google banning your corporate account for some arbitrary reason and killing your entire company overnight. Unless one is twitter sized limiting ones exposure to googles arbitrary decisions is quite reasonable. I can get a person to talk to at microsoft for my tiny account easy and I know neither they nor Amazon will just shut me down overnight.
  - reitzensteinm 8y ago
    Uh, just last year Google increased the price of developers using the maps API by an order of magnitude with no grandfathering policy, which for many users was effectively shutting the API off completely. It's not just the consumer side; Google doesn't exactly have a spotless reputation for developers, and assuming the post must be somebody faking being concerned for "Internet Cool Guy points" is just tone deaf.
johnwheeler 8y ago
totally reasonable question given googles horrendous track record on product maintenance.
- ehsankia 8y ago
  Google Cloud has had zero dead products in a decade existence. Just because Google phased out a couple browser extensions and a RSS feed reader doesn't mean they have a "horrendous track record" when it comes to real enterprise-tier services such as Cloud.
  - twapi 8y ago
    Google killed many popular products without any proper reason. Remember Google Reader??!
    - jasonvorhe 8y ago
      This is a thread about Google Cloud.
  - tomschlick 8y ago
    > Google Cloud has had zero dead products in a decade existence. Didn't they just 10x the price of Maps api calls recently?
  - realusername 8y ago
    It's not the dead products on my case I fear but the lockdown of a Gmail account, there's already 2 gmail accounts I can't access despite knowing the password. I would not use GCP just because of that, everything might work fine and then one day you're locked out of your account and can't do anything.
    - privateSFacct 8y ago
      Just had this with an account I setup for my parents. I have recovery email AND know when account was created - not good enough. My parents use a landline that can't get a text and apparently enough to deny them (Google won't Dona voice call). Would pay 50 to unlock. Only option is to setup a new account. Ugh. This same email used for Apple Id and they like their Apple stuff
nl 8y ago
It's a beta. It's reasonable for a company not to guarantee support timeframes during a beta program.
mattsoldo 8y ago
Hi. I manage App Engine (the original "serverless" product at Google). This is a very understandable concern, given the importance of having a platform on which you can rely. Contractually Google Cloud provides a 1 year notice before discontinuing (or making backwards incompatible changes) to products. This is for generally available (GA) products. Cloud Run is in beta, so technically it could be decided not to bring it to GA. This is why some conservative orgs tend to wait for products to be GA before releasing them. From a technical perspective, Cloud Run was designed to be highly portable and idiomatic. If the service were discontinued (or you just didn't like it), you should be able to take your container image, and run it anywhere else. Odds are you would be using some other Google Cloud Services, so you would likely want to run in an environment with low network latency to Google Cloud (Compute Engine and Kubernetes Engine being obvious candidates). From a historical perspective, I'd say that Google Cloud goes above and beyond in supporting older products. App Engine is about to hit its 11th anniversary. We are still running PHP 5.5 apps and backporting security patches to the runtime, despite the language losing community support 3 years ago. We are still turning down an old product called "Managed Virtual Machines", which has now been in a deprecated (but running) state for longer than it was GA! From an emotional perspective, I think that Google is eyed with a lot of suspicion for turning off products. Google Reader - enough said. But as someone on the thread pointed out, Google Cloud is a very different business from the rest of Google. Google (!cloud) is a consumer company at a scale where if a product matters when it hits a billion users. Google Cloud is an enterprise company. Scale still matters, but not in the same way it does in consumer. I can't wait for hacker news folks to try Cloud Run. Its an awesome product.
- clhodapp 8y ago
  Cloud Run is in beta, so technically it could be decided not to bring it to GA. This is why some conservative orgs tend to wait for products to be GA before releasing them. Ah that's one reason not to use GCP betas. Another big one is the complete lack of any public uptime target. In my opinion, this makes the betas nearly as bad as alphas with respect to using them in production.
  - boulos 8y ago

influx 8y ago

Can you help this student out? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19610658

boulos 8y ago
Offered to help out, thanks for flagging this.
travisglines 8y ago
Glad this was posted. I've used GCP in the past, including decisions on which cloud providers to use where we spent north of 1M USD/month. Honestly Google's efforts are best focused on support issues like this and customer service rather than features to compete with AWS at the moment. A lot about GCP's setup is simpler and their network/hardware is well known to be better per dollar spent. However, I've always found the ability to contact an AWS rep and work through a tough situation on billing/quotas to be much more convenient. That often shifts the decision in Amazon's favor.
- boulos 8y ago
  Disclosure: I work on GCP. To be clear, this person seems to have reached Support (I'll know more if they reach out to me) but is probably mid-way through the "Are you sure you didn't do this?" or something particular to debit cards. Enterprises don't have the same experience, because you don't use a credit/debit card to pay for $1M/month in anything :). As an Enterprise, you also have dedicated folks in sales and professional services working with you, and so on. I don't disagree that Support and customer empathy are huge factors of what goes into picking a provider. We need to improve, likely more than other providers. We all hate knowing that if you happen to know someone at Google, you get better help. But, tl;dr: GCP Support != Google consumer "support" and individuals on credit/debit cards != Enterprises.
  - travisglines 8y ago
    Hey boulos, upvoted your response. Thanks for taking action on this. Agreed that GCP != Google consumer support. I didn't mean for my response to be perceived as negative for GCP, was only hoping to inspire those at GCP to continue to focus on the customer experience rather than features. AWS certainly needs the competition and I've also had great experiences using Google's cloud platform.

devwastaken 8y ago

Does Cloud Run have accurate NTP time across edge servers and througu Cloud Run? I know Google runs their own version which stretches time on leap years, but I'm wondering if there's any effort to make sure that these edge servers are properly synchronized. That way things such as sub-second video stream synchronization can be done across the globe.

hn_throwaway_99 8y ago

Thanks very much! Hope to find out more tomorrow, but just wondering if there is any equivalent to the "cold start" issue you have with Cloud Functions on Cloud Run. If not, could you point to any documentation that explains the lifecycle of how containers are loaded, scaled up and scaled down in response to requests?

bauerd 8y ago

Quick question out of curiosity, we have a Google Cloud org of three members at work. One member had access to Cloud Run some days ago, he stumbled upon it incidentally in the sidebar. All other members couldn't access Cloud Run. So, how come? Is early access account, not org-based?

lindydonna 8y ago
(I'm a product manager on the serverless team at Google Cloud) The early access was based on a user account being added to an access list. But, I'm not sure why your team member had access without explicitly asking for it.
- bauerd 8y ago
  Hi thanks for the reply. The only thing he could think of was that he skipped through a couple of videos on Google's official YouTube developer channel that day. But likely coincidental. (On a sidenote, when my coworker had access, autoscaling was broken, like completely, hence in part my curiosity).

antonvs 8y ago

Please tell your salespeople to point out to potential customers that since Fargate billing is per vCPU-hour, costs on Cloud Run are "up to 36,000 times cheaper!"