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I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. It can't be /that/ hard to figure out if the person on the other s

I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. It can't be /that/ hard to figure out if the person on the other side is using an Android with a compatible Messaging app version and then switch over to an internet-handled chat.

inamberclad 8y ago
Signal does it just fine - I can only assume that Google is distracted or just doesn't care.
- hackits 8y ago
  Probably that they consider it wouldn't generate revenue.
- Phlarp 8y ago
  Google talk/hangouts chat still works and does this. Although you are also correct in that case as Google is distracted and doesn't care about Google talk. And of course fragmentation-- Even if Talk, Signal, Whatsapp and Telegram all support discovery and upgrade, the network effects (or lack of them) kills it in practice.
Alex3917 8y ago
> I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. I mean a better question at this point is perhaps why Apple engineering hasn't been able to implement RCS.
- btian 8y ago
  Why should Apple implement RCS? All the backend is controlled by Google. All the risks, none of the gains.
  - delfinom 8y ago
    No it isn't. RCS its a open cellular standard thats being deployed worldwide. Google does offer a backend for carriers to use (when you want to push your cloud offerings and have tons of engineers with nothing else to do just like AWS) but it's not required and carriers are rolling their own. The protocol itself is meant for inter-carrier communication and phones.
- Nextgrid 8y ago
  RCS is designed to be controlled by the carriers. You know what else is controlled by carriers and has gone to shit as far as spam and security is concerned? SMS. We actually have to thank the “walled garden” for the lack of spam on iMessage. While I’d like Apple to also support RCS, I still want iMessage to remain the default for communicating with iOS users.
aphextron 8y ago
Android has always been a stop-gap for Google. Fuchsia is going to be the first real competitor to iOS.
- millstone 8y ago
  What is it about Fuschia that will improve the messaging situation?
- shdh 8y ago
  Its going to be an up hill battle for Fuchsia
- nradov 8y ago
  By the time Fuschia actually ships as a complete OS, perhaps the industry will have moved on to a new hardware form factor and smartphones will be considered a legacy product. Sort of like how Android was originally designed as an OS for compact cameras and then later pivoted to smartphones.
  - aphextron 8y ago
    This is exactly why Fuchsia is a capabilities based OS, designed to run on any device. https://misterbugbuster.com/2018/04/19/fuchsia-os-a-modular-and-capability-based-os/ https://misterbugbuster.com/2018/04/19/fuchsia-os-a-modular-...
    - nradov 8y ago
      Historically attempts to create a modular, universal OS that runs on any hardware haven't ended well. Such projects tend to collapse under their own weight due to scope creep and the resulting software is usually too poorly optimized for any particular hardware to make a compelling product.
      - timbit42 7y ago
        Like Linux?
khaki54 8y ago
They do, works in a very similar way
hylianwarrior 8y ago
> I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage It's not because Google is doing a bad job, it's because Apple is doing a _great_ job. Apple's framing of iOS as a luxury brand is why the "blue vs. green bubbles" type of sentiment has real impact within younger social circles.
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  That has nothing to do with why Apple owners prefer blue bubbles. It’s because SMS is unreliable and restrictive. You can’t share files, some carriers truncate messages and send them as multiple messages, media formats are limited, group chats don’t work right, typing indicator doesn’t work, read receipts don’t work, etc. Green bubble does not mean lower status, it means a significantly degraded experience. Some kids may act like those with green bubbles are not part of the in group, but this is done in jest. Kids do that with everything. My generation did it with video game consoles and sports teams. You had Sega people and Nintendo people. Nike vs Adidas. It wasn’t about status.
  - mike00632 8y ago
    Isn't there a clear solution in just using a non-sms app available to both Android and iPhone, like Messenger or WhatsApp?
    - earenndil 8y ago
      Imessage comes with ios and is the same as the app you use for sms.
    - scyber 8y ago
      from an iphone users perspective there is no problem that requires a solution. Since iMessage is installed by the default, and there is no need for another app. And with iOS being pretty dominant in the US, no other app is going to get the traction it needs on iOS to be a successful cross platform communications.
scyber 8y ago
Google could create the greatest messaging app on the planet, but the carriers have more control on Android. They would just not install it on their phones by default. Which means it would not get the traction needed to succeed. Heck most US carriers don't even install one of googles current messaging apps, they install their own customized one.

inamberclad 8y ago

Signal does it just fine - I can only assume that Google is distracted or just doesn't care.

hackits 8y ago
Probably that they consider it wouldn't generate revenue.
Phlarp 8y ago
Google talk/hangouts chat still works and does this. Although you are also correct in that case as Google is distracted and doesn't care about Google talk. And of course fragmentation-- Even if Talk, Signal, Whatsapp and Telegram all support discovery and upgrade, the network effects (or lack of them) kills it in practice.

Alex3917 8y ago

> I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. I mean a better question at this point is perhaps why Apple engineering hasn't been able to implement RCS.

btian 8y ago
Why should Apple implement RCS? All the backend is controlled by Google. All the risks, none of the gains.
- delfinom 8y ago
  No it isn't. RCS its a open cellular standard thats being deployed worldwide. Google does offer a backend for carriers to use (when you want to push your cloud offerings and have tons of engineers with nothing else to do just like AWS) but it's not required and carriers are rolling their own. The protocol itself is meant for inter-carrier communication and phones.
Nextgrid 8y ago
RCS is designed to be controlled by the carriers. You know what else is controlled by carriers and has gone to shit as far as spam and security is concerned? SMS. We actually have to thank the “walled garden” for the lack of spam on iMessage. While I’d like Apple to also support RCS, I still want iMessage to remain the default for communicating with iOS users.

aphextron 8y ago

Android has always been a stop-gap for Google. Fuchsia is going to be the first real competitor to iOS.

millstone 8y ago
What is it about Fuschia that will improve the messaging situation?
shdh 8y ago
Its going to be an up hill battle for Fuchsia
nradov 8y ago
By the time Fuschia actually ships as a complete OS, perhaps the industry will have moved on to a new hardware form factor and smartphones will be considered a legacy product. Sort of like how Android was originally designed as an OS for compact cameras and then later pivoted to smartphones.
- aphextron 8y ago
  This is exactly why Fuchsia is a capabilities based OS, designed to run on any device. https://misterbugbuster.com/2018/04/19/fuchsia-os-a-modular-and-capability-based-os/ https://misterbugbuster.com/2018/04/19/fuchsia-os-a-modular-...
  - nradov 8y ago
    Historically attempts to create a modular, universal OS that runs on any hardware haven't ended well. Such projects tend to collapse under their own weight due to scope creep and the resulting software is usually too poorly optimized for any particular hardware to make a compelling product.
    - timbit42 7y ago
      Like Linux?

khaki54 8y ago

They do, works in a very similar way

hylianwarrior 8y ago

> I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage It's not because Google is doing a bad job, it's because Apple is doing a _great_ job. Apple's framing of iOS as a luxury brand is why the "blue vs. green bubbles" type of sentiment has real impact within younger social circles.

lawnchair_larry 8y ago
That has nothing to do with why Apple owners prefer blue bubbles. It’s because SMS is unreliable and restrictive. You can’t share files, some carriers truncate messages and send them as multiple messages, media formats are limited, group chats don’t work right, typing indicator doesn’t work, read receipts don’t work, etc. Green bubble does not mean lower status, it means a significantly degraded experience. Some kids may act like those with green bubbles are not part of the in group, but this is done in jest. Kids do that with everything. My generation did it with video game consoles and sports teams. You had Sega people and Nintendo people. Nike vs Adidas. It wasn’t about status.
- mike00632 8y ago
  Isn't there a clear solution in just using a non-sms app available to both Android and iPhone, like Messenger or WhatsApp?
  - earenndil 8y ago
    Imessage comes with ios and is the same as the app you use for sms.
  - scyber 8y ago
    from an iphone users perspective there is no problem that requires a solution. Since iMessage is installed by the default, and there is no need for another app. And with iOS being pretty dominant in the US, no other app is going to get the traction it needs on iOS to be a successful cross platform communications.

scyber 8y ago

Google could create the greatest messaging app on the planet, but the carriers have more control on Android. They would just not install it on their phones by default. Which means it would not get the traction needed to succeed. Heck most US carriers don't even install one of googles current messaging apps, they install their own customized one.