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Just another reason to build and use a Hackintosh, if you want to be free to choose your own software. Apple is slowly moving towards an iPhone model with macOS

Just another reason to build and use a Hackintosh, if you want to be free to choose your own software. Apple is slowly moving towards an iPhone model with macOS.

tinus_hn 8y ago
..will be required by default.. Just change the setting if the default doesn’t suit you.
- ndnxhs 8y ago
  This change mainly affects developers who will now have to pay apples ransom if they want anyone to be able to run their app.
  - tinus_hn 8y ago
    I’m not sure how the developer running a hackintosh fixes that.
- nutjob2 8y ago
  On a Hackintosh you have that choice, on Apple hardware you'll eventually have that choice taken away from you. That is my point.
  - User23 8y ago
    For a user of your sophistication, why bother with a Hackintosh at all? You could use a truly free Linux based OS and not have to deal with any of this. Is there some killer app that you can only get in Mac OS? Xcode I guess for iPhone dev? And if you have a moral objection to Apple making MacOS like iOS, why would you want to do iOS dev?
    - nutjob2 8y ago
      Firstly, macOS is a far and away superior experience, given the alternatives, secondly it has better applications, or the Mac versions are better than for other platforms and thirdly it allows development on all platforms with a minimum of fuss. Overall it's just more productive and pleasant. If there were a practical alternative I'd jump in a second. Developing for all platforms is a commercial reality, regardless of what I think, but wanting freedom to develop software for any platform without a corporate's approval is not unreasonable. The complaint applies to Google and Microsoft to some degree as well.
george_perez 8y ago
Kernel extensions will also need to be notarized, so Hackintosh doesn't seem very likely.
- Wowfunhappy 8y ago
  Hackintosh user here: this has literally no impact on anything. If you turn off SIP, you can run unsigned kernel extensions without issue, both on a Hackintosh and on a real Mac†. If you're a Hackintosh user, but for some strange reason you want to leave SIP enabled, you can inject unsigned kernel extensions via the Clover bootloader. (I think you may need to temporarily disable SIP during setup or something like that, I don't fully remember. I just turn SIP off.) † I actually find this much easier than Windows, which is a royal pain in the neck if you want to install unsigned drivers.
  - auslander 8y ago
    You can have partially enabled SIP. With CSR = 0x01, SIP is fully enabled except kext signing, more secure then disabled SIP.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      Selectively disabling parts of SIP is unsupported, FYI
      - auslander 8y ago
        What do you mean? You can always check: 'csrutil status'. I have all items enabled except kext signing.
        saagarjha 8y ago
        Does csrutil status not give you the "This is an unsupported configuration, likely to break in the future and leave your machine in an unknown state." warning?

Just another reason to build and use a Hackintosh, if you want to be free to choose your own software. Apple is slowly moving towards an iPhone model with macOS.

tinus_hn 8y ago

..will be required by default.. Just change the setting if the default doesn’t suit you.

ndnxhs 8y ago
This change mainly affects developers who will now have to pay apples ransom if they want anyone to be able to run their app.
- tinus_hn 8y ago
  I’m not sure how the developer running a hackintosh fixes that.
nutjob2 8y ago
On a Hackintosh you have that choice, on Apple hardware you'll eventually have that choice taken away from you. That is my point.
- User23 8y ago
  For a user of your sophistication, why bother with a Hackintosh at all? You could use a truly free Linux based OS and not have to deal with any of this. Is there some killer app that you can only get in Mac OS? Xcode I guess for iPhone dev? And if you have a moral objection to Apple making MacOS like iOS, why would you want to do iOS dev?
  - nutjob2 8y ago
    Firstly, macOS is a far and away superior experience, given the alternatives, secondly it has better applications, or the Mac versions are better than for other platforms and thirdly it allows development on all platforms with a minimum of fuss. Overall it's just more productive and pleasant. If there were a practical alternative I'd jump in a second. Developing for all platforms is a commercial reality, regardless of what I think, but wanting freedom to develop software for any platform without a corporate's approval is not unreasonable. The complaint applies to Google and Microsoft to some degree as well.

george_perez 8y ago

Kernel extensions will also need to be notarized, so Hackintosh doesn't seem very likely.

Wowfunhappy 8y ago
Hackintosh user here: this has literally no impact on anything. If you turn off SIP, you can run unsigned kernel extensions without issue, both on a Hackintosh and on a real Mac†. If you're a Hackintosh user, but for some strange reason you want to leave SIP enabled, you can inject unsigned kernel extensions via the Clover bootloader. (I think you may need to temporarily disable SIP during setup or something like that, I don't fully remember. I just turn SIP off.) † I actually find this much easier than Windows, which is a royal pain in the neck if you want to install unsigned drivers.
- auslander 8y ago
  You can have partially enabled SIP. With CSR = 0x01, SIP is fully enabled except kext signing, more secure then disabled SIP.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    Selectively disabling parts of SIP is unsupported, FYI
    - auslander 8y ago
      What do you mean? You can always check: 'csrutil status'. I have all items enabled except kext signing.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        Does csrutil status not give you the "This is an unsupported configuration, likely to break in the future and leave your machine in an unknown state." warning?