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> And yet the country voted for Brexit, mostly without even knowing what they were voting for. Well obviously enough thought it was the right option. >I agree

> And yet the country voted for Brexit, mostly without even knowing what they were voting for. Well obviously enough thought it was the right option. >I agree with the OP that politics in the UK are toxic. There are only 2 parties that matter, and they are essentially the same, even though they would have you believe differently. The parties never work together, and spend all their time shamelessly sniping at one another and blocking bills based on political points scoring. It doesn't feel like either party wants what is best for the populace. That how government works. You have the main party in power and the official opposition that tries to block bills it doesn't agree with. It has been like this for centuries. > Then you have the tabloid media, which constantly fans the flames of hatred and outrage, poisoning the minds of a large part of the populace, essentially able to make them believe almost anything that suits the narrative of the owner's political affiliation. I agree with you on this I don't think it is a problem unique to the UK. And I think it'll get better because the sales of newspapers is decreasing.

pas 8y ago
> right option Well, indeed. If you ask the usual humans if they want to eat, sleep, work, have fun, and also go grab a drink, yes, they want all of that at the same time. People are rarely consistent in their wants, and it's no surprise that the voters eat up the imperial nostalgia. The UK will negotiate the best deals. Ah yea, sure you will. Naturally in the free time left after negotiating brexit itself. > unique to the UK no, alas this irrationality is endemic.
GordonS 8y ago
> Well obviously enough thought it was the right option While I voted remain, I agree that we have to respect the outcome of the vote. But politicians on both sides told lies and half-truths, and many voters really didn't know what they were voting for - and of course some were simply ignorant, whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy by the tabloid press. The whole things has been a shambles, and demonstrates just how fucked up out political landscape is. > That how government works. You have the main party in power and the official opposition that tries to block bills it doesn't agree with. That's not how it's working though - my point is that Labour will block bills based on political points scoring, not because they actually disagree with the bill. While Labour is not in power you won't get anything out of them about what they would actually do in this or that situation - they refuse to have an opinion on anything (but will invariably spout "well, we've been very clear"), and seem to exist to heckle the Conservatives
- AntiTechTechie 8y ago
  > ...and of course some were simply ignorant, whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy by the tabloid press. Are you saying that those who voted to leave because of immigration issues were ignorant of what they were voting for?
  - GordonS 8y ago
    Some, not all of them of course. But some believe any old shit that vile hate rags like the Daily Mail bombard them with - let's not pretend that xenophobia and ignorance don't exist among voters in the UK.
    - AntiTechTechie 8y ago
      > ...vile hate rags like the Daily Mail What about from the GOV.UK website? [1] [1] https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-jus...
      - GordonS 8y ago
        You apparently believe this data somehow proves your point... which in a roundabout way, kind of proves mine. The data you've linked to doesn't give any figures for immigrants - presumably most of the people of Black, Asian and Mixed ethnicities are actually British.
        AntiTechTechie 8y ago
        > "...actually British" Now that is a whole other discussion, but sure, perhaps some of the Black, Asian, and mixed ethnicity criminals are "British."
imtringued 8y ago
>That how government works. Not in Germany.

pas 8y ago

> right option Well, indeed. If you ask the usual humans if they want to eat, sleep, work, have fun, and also go grab a drink, yes, they want all of that at the same time. People are rarely consistent in their wants, and it's no surprise that the voters eat up the imperial nostalgia. The UK will negotiate the best deals. Ah yea, sure you will. Naturally in the free time left after negotiating brexit itself. > unique to the UK no, alas this irrationality is endemic.

GordonS 8y ago

> Well obviously enough thought it was the right option While I voted remain, I agree that we have to respect the outcome of the vote. But politicians on both sides told lies and half-truths, and many voters really didn't know what they were voting for - and of course some were simply ignorant, whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy by the tabloid press. The whole things has been a shambles, and demonstrates just how fucked up out political landscape is. > That how government works. You have the main party in power and the official opposition that tries to block bills it doesn't agree with. That's not how it's working though - my point is that Labour will block bills based on political points scoring, not because they actually disagree with the bill. While Labour is not in power you won't get anything out of them about what they would actually do in this or that situation - they refuse to have an opinion on anything (but will invariably spout "well, we've been very clear"), and seem to exist to heckle the Conservatives

AntiTechTechie 8y ago
> ...and of course some were simply ignorant, whipped up into a xenophobic frenzy by the tabloid press. Are you saying that those who voted to leave because of immigration issues were ignorant of what they were voting for?
- GordonS 8y ago
  Some, not all of them of course. But some believe any old shit that vile hate rags like the Daily Mail bombard them with - let's not pretend that xenophobia and ignorance don't exist among voters in the UK.
  - AntiTechTechie 8y ago
    > ...vile hate rags like the Daily Mail What about from the GOV.UK website? [1] [1] https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-jus...
    - GordonS 8y ago
      You apparently believe this data somehow proves your point... which in a roundabout way, kind of proves mine. The data you've linked to doesn't give any figures for immigrants - presumably most of the people of Black, Asian and Mixed ethnicities are actually British.
      - AntiTechTechie 8y ago
        > "...actually British" Now that is a whole other discussion, but sure, perhaps some of the Black, Asian, and mixed ethnicity criminals are "British."

imtringued 8y ago

>That how government works. Not in Germany.